Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2006/10/07

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Subject: [Leica] FS MP, BP 35 Summicron
From: leicaluvr at comcast.net (Tom Schofield)
Date: Sat Oct 7 22:10:06 2006
References: <C14DFCE0.16925%bd@bdcolenphoto.com>

>  I was surprised by a recent newsletter that the sporting glasses -  
> binoculars and spotting scopes - bring more revenue than the system  
> cameras.

Tom Schofield



>  - because the R sales were certainly not keeping the camera
> business afloat. The camera business was M sales and lenses. Lenses  
> may
> continue, what with the new Tri-Elmar, etc. Although on the other  
> hand,
> given the cost of the new body, people may look for used lenses -  
> 21 becomes
> 28, etc. It's really not a question of the Osborne effect, but rather
> whether the fact that Leica is endorsing digital will, in effect,  
> drive
> Leica out of the film business, and whether the digital business  
> can then
> keep the company afloat. Only time will tell.
>
>
> On 10/7/06 3:53 PM, "Richard" <richard-lists@imagecraft.com> wrote:
>
>> Well, I predicted a bumper crop of film Ms being put on the block,  
>> and I'd
>> say a casual checks on various sites bear this out - there is a  
>> good number
>> of MPs being put up lately. Of course this happened when M7 comes  
>> out and
>> then the price of used M6s dropped significantly. Now of course  
>> the key
>> question is not the sales on used Ms but the sales on new M7 and  
>> MP: will
>> the waiting for the M8 dries up the sales? On tech world, this is  
>> known as
>> the Osborne effect. When Osborne II was announced but was going to be
>> available "Real Soon Now," people stopped buying Osborne I and thus
>> depleted it source of income and killed the company. OTOH, may be  
>> the M7/MP
>> sales are relatively insignificant that it will not make much  
>> different?
>> Leica probably has anticipated this and writing off M7/MP sales  
>> for the
>> next few months. The key is whether they can execute the M8 plan  
>> and start
>> delivery in Nov. If so, then the increased M8 sales will probably  
>> more than
>> compensate. If not,...
>>
>> At 05:29 AM 10/7/2006, you wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Noting that Leicaholic community is shedding film Ms the way  
>>> maples shed
>>> leaves in October - and to continue a crappy analogy (sort of)  
>>> stashing the
>>> cash toward an M8 purchase the way the squirrels are stashing  
>>> acorns for the
>>> winter, I have to wonder what the long-term economic implications  
>>> of this
>>> are for Leica. The quick answer is, "this switch to digital  
>>> guarantees their
>>> long-term survival." But does it? Will Leica sell enough $4700K  
>>> digital
>>> bodies to not only make up for what will probably be a real crash  
>>> of film M
>>> sales but also reinforce an already weak bottom line? Will people  
>>> buy two,
>>> three, digi bodies the way they bought film Ms?
>>>
>>> No, predictable responders, I'm not trashing Leica or wishing the  
>>> company
>>> ill, and I am impressed by the initial reviews of the M8. I'm  
>>> just asking a
>>> question that just occurred to me as I read all the recent FS posts.
>>>
>>
>> // richard (This email is for mailing lists. To reach me directly,  
>> please
>> use richard at imagecraft.com)


Replies: Reply from jshul at comcast.net (Jim Shulman) ([Leica] Another PAW from the Hershey Car Show)
In reply to: Message from bd at bdcolenphoto.com (B. D. Colen) ([Leica] FS MP, BP 35 Summicron)