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Subject: [Leica] Opinions Collapsible Cron vs. Elmar or others
From: len-1 at comcast.net (Leonard Taupier)
Date: Fri Oct 27 08:57:24 2006
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Ok. I've only been able to find Summars with cleaning marks and haze.  
This search may take awhile.

Thanks,
Len


On Oct 27, 2006, at 11:46 AM, Mark Langer wrote:

> I went through several Summars before I got a good one.  They  
> suffer from
> microscratches on the front element due to very soft glass, and are
> typically affected by haze as well.  If you can get a clean one,  
> like my
> Sherry-serviced example, you'll find that it is a totally different  
> beast.
> Opened up, it renders a soft image that is superb for romantic or  
> flattering
> portraits in natural light.  Stopped down, contrast and resolution  
> improve
> dramatically.  It does come with a rather bulky lenshood, but the  
> hood for
> the 50/3.5 Elmar, which is quite compact, fits perfectly.
>
> Mark
>
> On 10/27/06, Leonard Taupier <len-1@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Mark. I've been thinking about getting a Summitar for some
>> time (for the same reason as Luis). I also had the same feeling about
>> the Summar, that it's not a good lens. Of course I don't want the
>> look to be too vintage.
>>
>> Len
>>
>>
>> On Oct 27, 2006, at 11:01 AM, Mark Langer wrote:
>>
>> > Don't forget the Summitar.  A vastly underrated lens, and a real
>> > bargain.
>> > If you want something really compact, the often despised Summar (if
>> > you can
>> > find a really good one) is a joy to use.  I have one in perfect
>> > shape that
>> > Sherry cleaned, and it proves that a good example of this lens  
>> really
>> > refutes its terrible reputation.  If you want the vintage look,
>> > this is the
>> > lens for you.  Also, although this isn't in the same focal length,
>> > the early
>> > Canon 100/4 has a lovely vintage quality that is outstanding for
>> > portraiture.
>> >
>> > Mark
>> >
>> > On 10/27/06, Luis Ripoll <luisripoll@telefonica.net> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Thanks Len, Your opinion helps me. Well, I have too the Tri-Elmar
>> >> and the
>> >> 3,5 / 5cm Elmar on my IIIF....
>> >> Well, I think I'll go for it
>> >>
>> >> Thank you very much for your help,
>> >> Best!
>> >> Luis
>> >>
>> >> -----Mensaje original-----
>> >> De: lug-bounces+luisripoll=telefonica.net@leica-users.org
>> >> [mailto:lug-bounces+luisripoll=telefonica.net@leica-users.org] En
>> >> nombre
>> >> de
>> >> Leonard Taupier
>> >> Enviado el: viernes, 27 de octubre de 2006 16:51
>> >> Para: Leica Users Group
>> >> Asunto: Re: [Leica] Opinions Collapsible Cron vs. Elmar or others
>> >>
>> >> Lius,
>> >>
>> >> The collapsible Summicron is softer, with less contrast,  
>> especially
>> >> wide open. It becomes very close to the rigid around f8 (I have  
>> the
>> >> DR). While I like my DR the best,  I use the Summilux ASPH when I
>> >> want ultimate sharpness. In all I have 6 50's including the  
>> Nocti and
>> >> the Tri-Elmar. I also include a 50/3.5 Elmar. The only lens I have
>> >> for my IIIc. I think your reason for wanting the collapsible is  
>> dead
>> >> on. Try it, you'll like it.
>> >>
>> >> Good Luck and find a good one.
>> >> Len
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Oct 27, 2006, at 9:03 AM, Luis Ripoll wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Hi all,
>> >> >
>> >> > I would appreciate your experienced opinions about the  
>> Collapsible
>> >> > Summicron
>> >> > 50mm. I had the "Rigid" Summicron, I've sold it because it had
>> >> > fungus and
>> >> > make a lot of haze, but I regret the nice richness of grey tones
>> >> > that this
>> >> > lens gave me.
>> >> >
>> >> > Now I have 3 lenses of 50 mm: Summicron model of the year
>> >> 198/199...,
>> >> > Summilux (1964), and the new Elmar. I'm looking for the  
>> Collapsible
>> >> > Summicron to have the "nostalgia" subtle tones of the past.
>> >> >
>> >> > Could I have some opinions about how it will compare with my  
>> actual
>> >> > 50mm
>> >> > lenses (Summilux and Elmar)?
>> >> >
>> >> > Thanks in advance for your opinions and advice
>> >> >
>> >> > Saludos desde Barcelona
>> >> > Luis
>> >> >
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