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Subject: [Leica] Opinions Collapsible Cron vs. Elmar or others
From: len-1 at comcast.net (Leonard Taupier)
Date: Sat Oct 28 06:11:24 2006
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Have you tried an old style film like the Efke (Adox) KB25? I like it  
a lot even if you have to be careful how you handle it. I always  
preferred Panatomic-X and Plus-X to get the tonality in my landscapes  
and still life photos in the 60's. Currently I use APX100 and Fuji  
Acros 100 with X-tol. I still like my DR but when a certain mood hits  
I bring out the Efke and the collapsible Summicron. My type of photo  
never needed the speed or the grain of Tri-X. As film shooters we are  
still very fortunate to have these choices. Film ain't dead yet.

Len


On Oct 27, 2006, at 10:48 PM, Walt Johnson wrote:

> I've always labored under the assumption slower, thin emulsion  
> films have steeper curves and consequently are higher contrast. I  
> wished it were possible to find some Tri-X circa 1970 because these  
> newer films really seem to lack depth. They  are certainly sharp as  
> hell and grainless but also toneless  compared to what once was. I  
> picked up a collapsible a few years back with the usual haze that  
> can be hard to see. Leitz redid it for me and image wise it  
> compares with my late model Summicron.
> I sure can;t help but feel the look we all knew and loved related  
> to film and developer rather than lens characteristics.
>
> Walt
>
> Alastair Firkin wrote:
>
>> Ah, at last I can offer an opinion ;-) I have the collapsible   
>> Summicron on my M3. It is a lens I choose above others when I want  
>> a  slightly 1960's feel to the result: using this lens with Plus   
>> X like  film makes images I recognise, gives a feeling that is  
>> different to  the more modern glass: I suppose its "softness" and  
>> would suffer in  lens tests, but it would have been perfect for  
>> your "grab" shot the  other day of the two people kissing.
>>
>> Others will prefer Tri X, but I never liked Tri X. Being a  
>> contrary  bastard, I really disliked the high contrast grainy  
>> images my peers  were making in the 1970's and therefore always  
>> bought Plus X Pan ---  I use mainly APX 100 for the similar  
>> feeling now.
>>
>> One down side to the lens is that the f stop ring is a bit stiff  
>> and  rotating it sometimes unlocks the barrel, but I'm used to  
>> that now.  One plus is that it can be used to pre-focus with its  
>> "tab" far more  easily (certainly than the DR summicron which  
>> lacks the tab) because  the focus ring is "exposed" when the lens  
>> is "mounted" and easy to  feel without looking.
>>
>> Great lens in "some" ways and good travel companion.
>>
>> Cheers
>> On 27/10/2006, at 23:03, Luis Ripoll wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I would appreciate your experienced opinions about the  
>>> Collapsible  Summicron
>>> 50mm. I had the "Rigid" Summicron, I've sold it because it had   
>>> fungus and
>>> make a lot of haze, but I regret the nice richness of grey tones   
>>> that this
>>> lens gave me.
>>>
>>> Now I have 3 lenses of 50 mm: Summicron model of the year  
>>> 198/199...,
>>> Summilux (1964), and the new Elmar. I'm looking for the Collapsible
>>> Summicron to have the "nostalgia" subtle tones of the past.
>>>
>>> Could I have some opinions about how it will compare with my  
>>> actual  50mm
>>> lenses (Summilux and Elmar)?
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance for your opinions and advice
>>>
>>> Saludos desde Barcelona
>>> Luis
>>>
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