Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2006/11/01
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Nathan, you are describing working just as previously with a film camera, with the capture media just happening to be different. I know Ted and TomA for example have said something very similar. This really is the logical extension of M shooting. Unsurprising that it appeals to LUG type folk. Certainly makes sense in the circumstance to me, as well. Thanks for keeping the flag flying. Now you just need to return to the true path, buy an M8 and forsake those other upstart cameras all together ;-) Cheers Hoppy -----Original Message----- From: lug-bounces+hoppyman=bigpond.net.au@leica-users.org [mailto:lug-bounces+hoppyman=bigpond.net.au@leica-users.org] On Behalf Of Nathan Wajsman Sent: Thursday, 2 November 2006 15:22 To: Leica Users Group Subject: Re: [Leica] Some questions and thoughts about the M8 Luis, I used to say many of the same things until I actually started using a Canon DSLR. The point about all those settings and menu items is that you do not NEED to fiddle with them. When I bought my current DSLR last year, I spent an hour or so looking at the manual and setting up the camera as I liked it (shoot RAW, auto white balance, use only the center focus point etc.) and I have left these settings alone ever since. The only controls I use on a regular basis are aperture and shutter speed (if in manual mode), or just the aperture (if in aperture priority mode) and the control to change the ISO speed. Does that sound complicated? As for shooting, I never chimp. I never delete an image while still in the camera (or on the flash card). All editing is done at home. So really, my shooting is no more complicated than it was with film (in fact less so, since I do not have to change the CF card for every 36 pictures); and the rest of my workflow is simpler than with film, since the steps of developing the film (or having it developed by a lab) and scanning it have been replaced by the much simpler step of sticking the CF card into the card reader and copying the files to the computer. And finally and most importantly: at any ISO speed higher than 100, quality is better than with film of the same speed. I do sometimes shoot a roll of 35mm film, but if I am to be honest with myself, the main reason for doing so is nostalgy. Nathan Luis Ripoll wrote: > Hi Jeffery, > > I have no experience with digital and your 3 points seems to me very > useful. > The other point about the time you can expend seeing the Menu ... > completely > share with you, I think that when I use digital I'll be uncomfortable, one > of the reasons is the Menu, the second reason is the quality desired taking > pictures (JPG, RAW...), I'm formed on film, I take a picture and I know > that > on the film I have the maximum information desirable, the further use I do > with it..., I don't know, when I take pictures, I take pictures, after at > home I see and analyze everyone. Some one of the LUG has said something I > liked, this style of digital use transform the decisive moment to on the > un-decisive moment. > > I think that film will still remain, at least up to I'll be to old to shot > any more... I try to ask me if I need digital and why..., and I'm not > convinced. > > Thank you very much for your help, > > Saludos desde Barcelona > Luis > > -----Mensaje original----- > De: lug-bounces+luisripoll=telefonica.net@leica-users.org > [mailto:lug-bounces+luisripoll=telefonica.net@leica-users.org] En nombre de > Jeffery Smith > Enviado el: domingo, 29 de octubre de 2006 16:18 > Para: 'Leica Users Group' > Asunto: RE: [Leica] Some questions and thoughts about the M8 > > Luis, > > Right now, the only three things I really look at when a new digital comes > our are (1) noise at high ISO, (2) anti-shake (to compensate for high noise > at high ISO), and (3) shutter lag. I agree with you on the look of film > versus digital. I also like shooting with a camera with only three controls > (aperture, shutterspeed, and focus). The menus, buttons, wheels, and > complex > LCD readouts of digitals have me spending more time looking at my digital > camera than the world I'm supposed to be shooting. As a result, I end up > shooting on full program mode while giving up the control I had with just > three parameters to think about. I like the conventional lenses I alread > have for film, and don't like the problems with purple fringing and > vignetting I get with digicams. But as the B&W films and developers slowly > disappear from view and digital technology improves, I suppose I will slow > shift over to digital. > > I noticed a strange (almost overnight) shift in attitude on the SP forum. > Six years ago, black and white film was the standard (and only that > Eggelston guy shot color). But when good digital cameras began to gain > acceptance, color digital image became acceptable in no time at all. I > suppose the only reason that surprises me is that color did not become > acceptable when color film was made available to SP photographers. Perhaps > when fast, convenient digital bacame acceptable for photojournalism, SP was > not far behind. > > Jeffery Smith > New Orleans, LA > http://www.400tx.com > http://400tx.blogspot.com/ > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: lug-bounces+jsmith342=cox.net@leica-users.org > [mailto:lug-bounces+jsmith342=cox.net@leica-users.org] On Behalf Of Luis > Ripoll > Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 6:11 AM > To: 'Leica Users Group' > Subject: [Leica] Some questions and thoughts about the M8 > > > Hi all, > > I've followed with interest all your comments about, first at all I should > say that I've never used digital, and that I'm not very attracted for it, > nevertheless the M concept transported to digital could be at least an > interesting experience. > > The first thought I want to explain is that I think that format 4x3 could > be > perfect for the new users, on my case I've choose my assortment of lenses > thinking on the use of every one, I would prefer work with the full format. > Frequently I've choose my lenses attending the compactness over the > quality, > i.e. Summilux 35 vs. the ASPH, it is some difficult for me think that my > 50's will be 65's etc..., and to have a 35 I should buy the pretty new 28mm > ASPH, but it is 2,8!, maybe with digital we should think more on the ASA > capabilities of the digital?...., maybe; as Jeffery says I've started on > photography with Panatomic and other slow films, on these years when you > shot with a 27 DIN ---> 400 ASA it was something extreme, actually for me I > still have this mentality, I very, very rarely rate a film more than 400 > ASA. > > Yesterday I was commenting an e-mail from Alastair telling him that I love > too very much the quality on B&W of Plus X or APX100 with Summilux 35, IMHO > you can't obtain the same quality on digital. You probably will obtain a > very good, even excellent quality, but without the same "touch". > > I have two questions about the M8's viewfinder, it is improved as it was on > the MP and M7 avoiding the flare?, which leeds information is on the > viewfinder? I've never liked the viewfinders with a lot of leds. > > Thanks for your comments > > Saludos desde Barcelona > Luis > > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > -- Nathan Wajsman Almere, The Netherlands Opportunistic Image Acquisition General photography: http://www.nathanfoto.com and http://www.greatpix.eu Picture-A-Week: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws Seville photography: http://www.fotosevilla.com Stock photography: http://www.alamy.com/search-results.asp?qt=wajsman http://myloupe.com/home/found_photographer.php?photographer=507 Prints for sale: http://www.photodeluge.com Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog SUPPORT FREEDOM OF SPEECH, BUY DANISH PRODUCTS! _______________________________________________ Leica Users Group. 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