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Subject: [Leica] arizona desert cemetary...II
From: kididdoc at cox.net (Steve Barbour)
Date: Fri Nov 10 12:09:14 2006
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On Nov 10, 2006, at 12:36 PM, Ted Grant wrote:

> Steve Barbour showed revised versions:
> Subject: [Leica] arizona desert cemetary...II
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>> several people wisely suggested a crop, and I did this...
>> also several wondered about which is best, color vs bw....
>> so do I... what do you think ?
>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/barbour/cross+flower.jpg.html
>> > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/barbour/cross 
>> +flowerbw.jpg.html<<<<
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> Steve a very interesting comparison indeed, both cropping and  
> colour vs. B&W.
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> Pre-crop:
> I "almost" like the more open feel about it and can say "I like it  
> un-cropped". Almost! Even though I thought the crop would be better  
> I'm now questioning it. But the right side is a distraction, so  
> maybe if you had cropped it first and posted it cropped, then we'd  
> not have the opportunity to see it both ways.
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> Cropped:
> But even with the crop done right on the mark, I now have this  
> feeling it's jammed too tightly together. Unfortunately this  
> happens sometimes in photography. And I'd have to accept the  
> cropped version simply because the items on the right are without  
> question a distraction.
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> I suppose if one were to put their "honesty as a photojournalist"  
> aside for a moment and clonned over the disturbing pieces then the  
> crammed space wouldn't be there and the picture would be fine.  
> However, as photojournalists that's not our cup of tea.
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> So it needs to either stay cropped, or maybe try to burn the right  
> side down to a slightly darker level to cut the distraction. Not  
> dark dark, but subtly.
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> The conversion to B&W does absolutely nothing for the picture at  
> all. This is due to the yellow flower playing such a strong part of  
> the over all picture in colour that it doesn't have in B&W.  
> Actually it merely becomes a distracting blob of white waiting to  
> be "spotted out!"
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> Given this situation is on a list there will be at least 809  
> versions, 3 in agreement, and 3 who don't care. ;-)
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> However, I still want to see the picture of you throwing the yellow  
> flower precisely where it is for maximum effect of composition! ;-)


NOT...


thanks Ted... I learned a lot from this exercise,


and one of the things I learned earlier,  never change the  
composition to enhance the shot...


and if you do never admit it....Steve
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Replies: Reply from walt at waltjohnson.com (Walt Johnson) ([Leica] arizona desert cemetary...II)
In reply to: Message from kididdoc at cox.net (Steve Barbour) ([Leica] arizona desert cemetary...II)
Message from tedgrant at shaw.ca (Ted Grant) ([Leica] arizona desert cemetary...II)