Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2006/12/26

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Subject: [Leica] Best flash for M8?
From: red735i at earthlink.net (Frank Filippone)
Date: Tue Dec 26 19:32:30 2006

OK.. I went there and read the following under M8 tech specs at the Leica 
USA site....
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To  quote.......
Shutter:
Micro-processor controlled metal-blade slotted shutter with vertical 
movement.
Shutter Speeds
In automatic mode (A) steplessly from 32 s to 1/8000 s. Using manual setting 
4 s to 1/8000 s in half steps.
B for long exposures of any duration.
Shutter action optimized for minimum noise. Driven by an electric motor
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Having read that, I will repeat that the shutter in the M8 is only for a 
dust ( and overload) sensor cover.  It does nothing for the
exposure.  Let me explain.....

The sensor is gated fully under electronic digital control.  It has nothing 
to do with a mechanical part anywhere in, round or under
the camera.  It is both easier to do it this way, it works, it needs no 
calibration, and it is cheap to make.  It is totally
electronic.

The shutter COVER, or what you might call a shutter, does not do anything to 
the exposures.  If it did, Leica would have to make an
infinitely variable shutter accurate to 1/8000 of a second, and keep it in 
calibration.  Ain't going to happen.  Nikon proved that
in the 8008 and other cameras.

I think it is important that users know what they are getting in an M8 or 
other digital camera  ... this mechanical shutter is
probably ( maybe, maybe not) timed to open and close in some relationship 
with the exposure.  It does not matter how long the
shutter is open; as long as it is long enough for an exposure to be 
recorded.  It can be a LOT longer    the light is gated by a
digital signal, not a mechanical device.  Very similar to the baffle shutter 
in a Hasselblad 500 series.

Notice carefully that Leica never claims that the shutter speed is 
mechanical nor do they claim the shutter is timed for any time
duration...   They claim the shutter is a vertically moving metal blade 
slotted shutter.  The shutter speeds are the ones that are
timed with specs on them.  There is a big difference between the shutter 
speeds that affect the exposure, and the shutter that only
covers the sensor.  What I called a baffle.

dPreview does not add any information.  I am sure they are nice guys, but 
technically,  anyone that claims the reason a M8 can have
higher synch speed than a M7 is because of a different shutter is just plain 
not correct.   The synch is digitally controlled as are
the gating functions of the sensor.  There is no mechanical association in a 
M8.  There is in any previous film oriented M ( or
LTM)..

BTW, if you owned a M8, you could easily prove me wrong....   Try the 
shutter at different speeds with no lens.  You should see the
light baffle open and close faster with increasing speed, like a real 
shutter does.  You do not have to be 100% accurate, you only
need to note if the thing stays open longer with increasing exposure 
time....  It should be pretty obvious.

If there is some evidence that the M8 has a mechanically timed exposure, I 
still have not seen it......If you, or someone else on
this list,  own a M8, check out the shutter /baffle/ whatever you want to 
call the thing that moves out of the way to allow the
light to hit the sensor. Then we have some form of data that is not 
marketing speak.....

I would promise to eat a bug if I am wrong, but Cal Worthington has already 
done that one.....

Frank Filippone
red735i@earthlink.net 





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