Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2007/01/12

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Subject: [Leica] Now I'm officially Leica user !
From: grduprey at mchsi.com (grduprey@mchsi.com)
Date: Fri Jan 12 11:48:26 2007

Mark, 

The older Kodak stuff scratched just looking at it, and the new 400cn has 
yet to come back scratched, so if the orange cast is part of the fix, great 
with me.  Tried the Ilford but was not happy with it.  I guess we all have 
our preferences.

Gene


-------------- Original message from Mark Rabiner <mark@rabinergroup.com>: 
-------------- 


> Well I use the mono chromegic Xp2 Ilford in the white box instead of the 
> Kodak BW400CN - I don't leave home without it. 
> A main reason why I shoot the Ilford never having made a direct comparison 
> test between the two films is that there is no orange cast to the Kodak. 
> a built in safelight in effect. And a built in curveball to your printing 
> pack when you use it with an enlarger. 
> So one of these days when i'm wanting to make a print with one of these 
> negs 
> I've shot with my Leicas I'll be able to without going nuts about it. 
> With the Kodak with the built in cast to make it easy for un touched by 
> human hands minilab processing with color neg film; printing that is... 
> The Ilford people could care less about that mass market kind of stuff. :) 
> With the Kodak you want to fine tune the contrast with your VC or color 
> head, your Pack, filters even and they thing goes nuts and you get 
> unexpected results every time, not that it can't be done. But it will be 
> done with lots of paper in the recycle bin when such paper will cost an 
> arm 
> and a leg. The paper may be worth than the silver in it. 
> 
> So I say tut tut tally ho old man shoot Ilford. 
> 
> Kodak gave you a choice with one of their mono chromegic film not having 
> the 
> color cast. But now they've cast the last stone by giving you anything you 
> want as long as its orange orange. 
> Kodak sells out. Like clockwork. 
> 
> But I may start shooting some 800 speed and faster color neg film like I 
> used to. 
> I got much better scanning result with the xp2 but than its a 400 speed 
> film 
> now isn't it? 
> And to me in color neg technology 400 speed film is overkill. Yes even in 
> 35mm. 
> 800 speed film now looks like 200 speed film did when I was well into 
> photography in the 80s. 
> And I shot 400 then. And got real grain. 
> Now 400 speed film is in normal sized prints grainless. 
> I don't mind some grain. 
> I'll shoot 800 or 1600. Stop down a few. Use a higher shutter speed. 
> 
> Mark Rabiner 
> New York, NY 
> 40°47'59.79"N 
> 73°57'32.37"W 
> 
> http://rabinergroup.com/ 
> 
> 
> 
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