Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2007/01/15
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]1st fighter group records report that the P-38 piloted by Guy J Thomas of the 94th was shot down in their first encounter with an ME262 26 November 1944 I quote:On an escort of a photo reconnaissance </wiki/Photo_reconnaissance> mission to Munich </wiki/Munich> on November 26 </wiki/November_26>, 1944 </wiki/1944>, the group lost an aircraft and pilot to an Me 262 </wiki/Me_262> jet. At the beginning of March 1945, III./JG 7 began operations, and from then on, Me 262 fighters delivered concerted attacks on raiding formations. On March 3, the Gruppe put up 26 Me 262s, 20 of which went into action. From U.S. records, it appears that the jets shot down seven bombers and six fighters. Six Me 262s were lost. USAAF official website - for Sunday 18 March 1945 *EUROPEAN THEATER OF OPERATIONS* *STRATEGIC OPERATIONS* *(Eighth Air Force):*: 2 missions are flown. Mission 894: 1,329 bombers and 733 fighters are dispatched to hit railway stations and tanks plants in the Berlin area; the attacks are made both visually and with H2X radar; the Luftwaffe makes it's most concentrated and successful attacks with Me 262s to date; the AAF claims 21-1-5 Luftwaffe aircraft; 13 bombers (8 to flak) and 6 fighters are lost: 1. 421 of 450 B-17s hit the Schlesischer rail station in Berlin; 13 hit the secondary target, Zehdnuk; and 1 hits Vechta, a target of opportunity; they claim 6-0-0 aircraft; 5 B-17s are lost, 8 damaged beyond repair and 268 damaged; 1 airman is KIA, 18 WIA and 49 MIA. 179 of 199 P-51s escort; they claim 4-0-2 aircraft; 2 P-51s are lost. 2. 495 of 530 B-17s hit the Nord rail station in Berlin; targets of opportunity are Ludwigslust (3) and other (3); they claim 1-1-1 aircraft; 7 B-17s are lost, 6 damaged beyond repair and 319 damaged; 1 airman is KIA, 12 WIA and 79 MIA. Escorting are 219 of 238 P-51s; they claim 7-0-1 aircraft; 2 P-51s are lost. 3. 347 B-24s are sent to hit the Tegel (225) and Henningsdorf (80) tank factories in Berlin; targets of opportunity are Oranienburg (9), Uelzen (9) and other (3); 1 B-24 is lost, 1 damaged beyond repair and 127 damaged; 1 airman is KIA, 1 WIA and 11 MIA. The escort is 254 P-51s; they claim 3-0-1 aircraft; 2 P-51s are lost. 4. 2 B-17s fly a scouting mission. 5. 27 of 30 P-51s fly a scouting mission. 6. 1 of 12 P-51s escort 5 F-5s on photo reconnaissance missions over Germany. Mission 895: 10 of 12 B-24s drop leaflets in France, the Netherlands and Germany during the night without loss. * * Marc James Small wrote: > At 06:54 PM 1/15/2007, Douglas Sharp wrote: > >Hermann B?chner, (Erprobungsgruppe Nowotny, later Jagdgeschwader 7) > >pilot of an ME262 had a confirmed kill of a P-38 Lightning on 26 > >November 1944, in his next 19 sorties he shot down a confirmed further > >11 enemy aircraft (types not recorded). > > Are these claims accepted by anyone else? What was the airframe > number of the P-38? Does the USAF accept these claims? > > Sadly, I believe that you already know the answer: the USAF does not > nor do most aviation historians. > > A confirmed kill means that the combat was verified by others, and > that the other side confirmed the kill, and that the killed aircraft's > serial number can be confirmed. > > Late WWII was a mess for this sort of thing, but you ought to wander > over and look at what is still going on about air claims in Korea! > > Marc > > > msmall@aya.yale.edu > Cha robh b?s fir gun ghr?s fir! > > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information