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Subject: [Leica] Drowning in digital files
From: jhnichols at bellsouth.net (Jim Nichols)
Date: Mon Jan 22 18:39:44 2007
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20070121191635.00bc57b0@mail.2alpha.com> <45B559BE.4060901@san.rr.com>

Jerry,

As a retired AE, I'm curious.  Are you working in design or analysis of some 
kind?

Jim Nichols
Tullahoma, TN USA
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jerry Lehrer" <glehrer@san.rr.com>
To: "Leica Users Group" <lug@leica-users.org>
Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 6:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Leica] Drowning in digital files


> Peter Klein wrote:
>> I'm a bit of a squirrel.  I rarely throw anything away unless forced to. 
>> Then once in a while, reluctantly, I do a big cleanup.  As with life, so 
>> with computers.  I have files on my computer that date back to 1983, the 
>> year I started working with PCs, plus some converted CP/M files from even 
>> earlier(!)  This has not been much of a problem--most of it has been 
>> text, and the size of the hard drive on the new computer I buy is always 
>> bigger than the old one.  So I never hit the ceiling.
>>
>> Until now.  Enter digital photography, where one TIFF is the size of my 
>> entire hard drive 10 years ago!!  A 16-bit TIFF of a scanned frame of 
>> color film is about 125 megs.  An E-1 RAW file is 10 megs, and a 16-bit 
>> work TIFF is 28 megs.  B&W films scans are 40 megs.  It adds up.
>>
>> My hard drive is nearly filled with RAW files, scanned TIFFs and 
>> intermediate work TIFFs.  I was embarking on a ruthless rampage through 
>> the directories, meaning to get rid of lots of digital flotsam and 
>> jetsam. Then I found a keeper RAW file I hadn't noticed before (see 
>> "Found on my hard drive").  And this gave me pause.
>>
>> Problem is, I end up with a lot of unneeded junk on my drive, but it's 
>> hard to decide what's needed and what's not.   I'd be interested in how 
>> other LUGgers cope with this--what do you keep? What do you throw away? 
>> How do you decide?
>>
>> My inclination is to keep:
>>
>> 1. RAW file or the original scan.
>> 2. Final version, unsharpened (8-bit TIFF, PNG, or high-quality JPG)
>> 3. Reduced JPG for Web.
>>
>> But with film, sometimes it seems to make more sense to keep the spotted 
>> version of the original, or even the 8-bit version after the curves are 
>> right.  It depends on the image.  Sometimes I save several version, 
>> decide on one, then come back and use another curve or cropping later. 
>> Or I don't spot until I decide the image is worth working furthre. 
>> That's where it gets confusing.
>>
>> Add to that, what format do you keep your final files in?  I used to 
>> think TIFF was the only way to go, but I'm now wondering if PNG might be 
>> better (lossless compression, often 30% smaller than an 8-bit TIFF).  And 
>> I've read that some people keep a very high-quality JPG--and I must say, 
>> with my E-1 DSLR photos, I usually don't notice a difference between TIFF 
>> and such a JPG.
>>
>> I'm also wondering whether it's worth it to go through years of files and 
>> delete intermediate files, or just buy a bigger disk and try to 
>> streamline my future workflow to leave fewer files in the first place. 
>> Or buy a DVD burner--but I'm concerned about the longevity of any 
>> home-burned optical media.  A big hard drive or two, plus a matching 
>> external for backup seems better.
>>
>> Note that I use Picture Window Pro, not Photoshop, so I end up saving 
>> several different files at various stages of editing, rather than having 
>> layers in one humongous file.  Then again, I don't need a gamer's PC with 
>> 2 gigs of RAM just to get by.
>>
>> --Peter
>>
>>
> Peter,
>
> Your saga of computer photography has only discouraged me from going 
> digital!  I work at a computer for eight hours or more each day in the 
> field of
> aerospace engineering.  Now the thought of working at a computer for FUN 
> has turned me off. It is not fun; tedium.
>
> Jrrry Lehrer
>
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