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Subject: [Leica] Re: 4/3 cameras
From: phamard at numericable.fr (Philippe Amard)
Date: Thu Mar 8 13:14:28 2007
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Hi Didier,
Not so sure there's a real professional claim on the 4/3, but here again 
you might be right.

More pragamatic :

How much for an M8 plus Summilux 35 ASPH if there's such a lense?
How much for an Oly, L1 or Diglix3 with a 25 / 1.4 ASPH?
How many times a year do you need these extra pixels?
How many times do you want to get bothered with slow autofocus, with 
liveview, with magenta cast, or filters?
 
I'm no professional but I most certainly think that I will never need 
them. Should I,  I 'd go MF

The M is meant for another kind of photography, for other photographers, 
with references to past criteria - not to be dumped for sure, but past 
all the same.
I don't find it offensive that Leica and others should try and re-invent 
the whole concept and think about the future - even at the expense of 
Leica glass lenses owners - which , we must confess to this, is the main 
- if not the only -  reason why we, Leica people, are "so conservative" 
with our gear and approach

BTW: I hold no shares in the 4/3 "holding" - I simply think that things 
are never either so simple, or clearcut in life

Yours
Phil..x
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Didier Ludwig wrote:

>Phil
>
>The name 4/3 does not refer to the picture format ratio, but to the 
>traditional Vidicon tube size, see http://tinyurl.com/2ub4x9 (german). Btw 
>newer computer screens have mostly a larger ratio, like 16:9 or 3:2. 
>
>I too believe more quality will be got out of smaller sensors in the 
>future. The question is if the 4/3 system can survive until then. Olympus 
>sells fast top-pro level lenses (f2/14-35, f2/35-100, f2/150mm, f2.8/300 
>and more) in the price category, or even higher, of the most expensive 
>Canon and Nikon pro lenses - so the upper class four thirds cameras, like 
>P-1 (project name of announced E-1 successor), L1 and Digilux-3, must be 
>compared with the flagship of the competitors. And the actual rule is: 
>bigger sensor = more quality, less noise. The mentioned 4/3 cameras are in 
>the middle consumer level in terms of picture quality and speed. There's a 
>antagonism of the professionality claim between the 4/3 optics and bodies.
>
>Leica's future lies in the hands of Leica. They'll never be in the cheap 
>sector and stay in their niche. The younger generation (which is probably 
>more talented as we are, because photographing is much more common today 
>and kids start much earlier to shoot) does less care about a red dot on a 
>camera, though I have noticed a certain interest for exotic gear amongst my 
>students. 
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>Didier
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>>I agree with Lawrence - the 4/3 is a shift in paradigm - I don't know if 
>>it will survive, but who would have predicted that
>>a) the 35 mmm format would,
>>b) Leica would ever build SLRs,
>>c) Leica would turn digital at all.
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>>Look at our computer screens - what is their format? There, is the answer 
>>to many comments on the 4/3 format.
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>>To me, the remainder seems to be in the order of habits - some good ones I 
>>must admit too - but any habit can be changed.
>>
>>The future of Leica, and of photography, lies in the hands of younger 
>>generations, as talented as ours, but for the time being with a lower 
>>purchasing power. They can get nice results out of cameras that are five 
>>times less expensive than an M8 or R9DMR combo for instance  - do they get 
>>results that are five times inferior?
>>
>>Yours
>>Phileicangemix
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In reply to: Message from lrzeitlin at optonline.net (Lawrence Zeitlin) ([Leica] Re: 4/3 cameras)
Message from phamard at numericable.fr (Philippe Amard) ([Leica] Re: 4/3 cameras)
Message from leica at screengang.com (Didier Ludwig) ([Leica] Re: 4/3 cameras)