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Subject: [Leica] For airplane fans- Spitfires, Hurricane and Mustang
From: hoppyman at bigpond.net.au (G Hopkinson)
Date: Mon Sep 10 23:58:09 2007
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Marc, I knew I could rely on you to step up to the plate. I've just been 
over to Wikipedia and found that I didn't tell any lies!
Interesting point on the Australian Spitfire operations during WW11.

Link for you in case you haven't seen it
<http://www.defence.gov.au/Raaf/history/>
"The duration of World War II saw 15,746 RAAF pilots, navigators, wireless 
operators, gunners and engineers sent to British
squadrons and 11,641 to Australian squadrons..... 
When the armistice with Japan was signed on 15 August 1945, the RAAF in the 
Pacific had a total strength of 131,662 personnel and
3,187 front line aircraft. First Tactical Air Force, the major operational 
formation, had grown to 18,894 men in April 1945 and
operated 20 operational squadrons". 

At that time The RAAF was actually the world's the world's 4th largest Air 
Force. Rather smaller establishment these days.

Cheers
Hoppy


-----Original Message-----
From: lug-bounces+hoppyman=bigpond.net.au@leica-users.org 
[mailto:lug-bounces+hoppyman=bigpond.net.au@leica-users.org] On Behalf Of
Marc James Small
Sent: Tuesday, 11 September 2007 09:22
To: Leica Users Group
Subject: RE: [Leica] For airplane fans- Spitfires, Hurricane and Mustang

At 07:03 PM 9/10/2007, G Hopkinson wrote:
 >Bob, as I understand it the clipped wings were part of modifications,
 >intended to improve performance against the newer Focke-Wulf
 >190. I think the clipped wings improved roll rate.
 >It definitely seemed to mess up the elegant wing shape.
 >Probably Marc or someone will tell us the story! I recall a phrase
 >quoted from the period, "clipped, cropped and clapped out" or
 >something like that, referring to the modified airframes.

Hoppy

Yes, the clipped wings were to improve the roll 
rate.  The tale of the Spitfire design is very 
complex and has resulted in dozens of books.  The 
best single source, in my view is in William 
Green's FAMOUS FIGHTERS OF THE SECOND WORLD 
WAR.  In fine, the British were blindsided by a 
couple of German developments, such as their 
problematic fuel-injection system but, in the 
end, British engineers tended to always be a jump 
ahead of the Germans.  The Spitfire was quite 
possibly the most satisfactory fighter of the 
Second World War, albeit it had short legs.

The Spitfire has had six decades of horrid press 
in Australia due to its relatively poor 
performance in 1942 in the north.  But, then, 
this poor performance was more a factor of poor 
training, lousy logistics, and lack of 
support.  Eric Bergerund pretty well restores the 
Spitfire to its proper status in his book on the 
aerial war in the Pacific in the Second World War.

I quit flying over a chance remark regarding a 
Spitfire but that is a tale for a different day.

Marc


msmall@aya.yale.edu
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