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Subject: [Leica] portrait of Elizabeth (mostly safe for work)
From: philippe.orlent at pandora.be (Philippe Orlent)
Date: Sun Sep 30 13:58:42 2007
References: <C32571AF.6D420%mark@rabinergroup.com> <7EDB2BB4-C5B7-4B67-8446-668B4010AECC@cox.net>

Honestly I think that this photo, even when the gesture is an  
original one, could turn out to be a lot better if the way she holds  
her skirt in her mouth would be explored a bit more.
But on the other hand, the neutrality of it makes it very enigmatic.  
Which is not bad, not bad at all even, for artistic work.

I had no age problem (which is partly about ethics), but I think that  
this is due to the fact that I'm younger than the average lister:  
less age difference between me and the subject makes her more mature  
in my eyes. For a 60 year old, even a 30 year old is a snotnose...  
(In a way, he is, ofcourse, but he's certainly not a child any more.)
So old folks, trust your younger fellow lister: nothing paedofilic  
about this one. Porn? Not even the soft version. If asked about the  
possible sexual tension in this photograph, I'd call it slightly  
erotic maybe. But it certainly was not my spontaneous reaction to  
this image.

Philippe



Op 30-sep-07, om 21:57 heeft Steve Barbour het volgende geschreven:

>
> On Sep 30, 2007, at 12:30 PM, Mark Rabiner wrote:
>
>>>
>>> On Sep 30, 2007, at 10:25 AM, Tina Manley wrote:
>>>
>>>> At 01:11 PM 9/30/2007, you wrote:
>>>>> it's a very nice portrait...kind of expanding the bubble as far as
>>>>> acceptable soft porn, without being called soft porn...
>>>>>
>>>>> I suspect that's why it appeals...
>>>>>
>>>>> Steve
>>>>
>>>> But not to me ;-)  It made me gag to look at it.  The skirt is too
>>>> far in her mouth to be sexy - more like a gag.  That's just a
>>>> female's perspective, though.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> well it made me gag too..
>>>
>>> and a little sad too...
>>>
>>> (because of the very young girl, who looks even younger)
>>>
>>> maybe because of the proximity of the image to soft porn, the age of
>>> the girl, mixed with the obvious manipulation and opportunism...
>>>
>>>
>>> Steve
>>>
>>>
>> Oh its a very young girl now lets play that card!!
>> This gal is 23 if she's a day and could easily have three kids and  
>> be well
>> on her way to being a grandmother.
>>
>> But lets protect  THE CHILDREN. And suspend all common sense and  
>> taste.
>
>
> Mark...
>
> let's not extrapolate to law and politics...
>
>
> this girl is said to be 33 yo...
>
> however here she is presented to look like a gamine... ie a young  
> teen age girl, and really looks barely 16y ...
>
>
> I am not sure what statement she and /or Kyle were trying to make  
> with this photo... I am sure Kyle will tell us...and also why he  
> introduced this photo with his...
>
> (mostly safe for work)... subject.
>
> let's keep it simple...I think we should just call it as it is, and  
> move on...
>
> Steve
>
>
>>
>> Mark William Rabiner
>> rabinergroup.com
>>
>>
>>
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