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Subject: [Leica] Capa or here we go again
From: bd at bdcolenphoto.com (B. D. Colen)
Date: Mon Jan 28 12:03:34 2008

Yup.


On 1/28/08 3:01 PM, "Walt Johnson" <walt@waltjohnson.com> wrote:

>  Personally, I think if a country goes to way its citizens need the
> "unvarnished" truth. We all make mistakes and we all live with them
> Unfortunately, some mistakes are more notable than others. There are
> times  though the grief caused by getting an image wreaks more havoc
> than the image itself. :-(
> 
> B. D. Colen wrote:
>> Unfortunately not. It was in Arlington, VA, right, or Falls Church...just
>> outside the city...I do know that Adams long-regretted the shot and the
>> grief it caused Loan in later years.
>> 
>> 
>> On 1/28/08 2:17 PM, "Walt Johnson" <walt@waltjohnson.com> wrote:
>> 
>>   
>>> Did you every eat in his D.C. restaurant?
>>> 
>>> slobodan dimitrov wrote:
>>>     
>>>> It is, Lt. Colonel Nguyen Ngoc Loan.
>>>> 
>>>> Photographers should leave the writing of history to historians, and
>>>> then quote them.
>>>> 
>>>> Journalist, on the other hand, should leave analysis to historians, as
>>>> the also lack the foundational background to put two and two together.
>>>> s.d.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Jan 28, 2008, at 8:41 AM, B. D. Colen wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Good Lord, Howard - What is so improbable that someone might shoot two
>>>> people dying on approximately the same spot if the photographer was
>>>> crouched
>>>> nearby, camera pointed toward the spot?
>>>> 
>>>> I think what puzzles me the most about all this is not whether or not
>>>> it is
>>>> real, but the seeming compulsion on the part of some to insist that it 
>>>> is
>>>> not.
>>>> 
>>>> How is it that Eddie Adams managed to push his shutter release at the
>>>> precise instant the Gen. Lon's bullet entered the skull of the VC
>>>> captive?
>>>> Was that execution staged for Adams? Was he complicit in it?
>>>> 
>>>> How did Bob Jackson happen to be in precisely the right position to
>>>> get that
>>>> astounding photo of Jack Ruby shooting Oswald? Was he tipped ahead
>>>> that the
>>>> shooting would take place?
>>>> 
>>>> I don't think anyone asks those questions, yet, if one believes that
>>>> uncritical "acceptance of this most improbable coincidence is 
>>>> inadequate,
>>>>       
>>>>> irresponsible journalism" is the only way to view the possibility
>>>>> that Capa
>>>>>         
>>>> shot - sorry - two people on the same spot, how can one deal with
>>>> those other
>>>> two astounding coincidences?
>>>> 
>>>> B. D.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 1/28/08 11:21 AM, "Walt Johnson" <walt@waltjohnson.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>       
>>>>> Howard
>>>>> 
>>>>> I knew some good would come from my recent generosity in the collection
>>>>> plate. Even the damn clouds are in identical formations. Too much
>>>>> cogitation and too little evidence. Any one who has worked an interview
>>>>> knows the ease of proving their original point of view. Especially, 
>>>>> when
>>>>> dealing with such antiquities. Where the hell are Scully and Mulder 
>>>>> when
>>>>> we need them? :-)
>>>>> 
>>>>> Walt
>>>>> 
>>>>> Howard Ritter wrote:
>>>>>         
>>>>>> Strange that the the writer's painstaking research and cogitation
>>>>>> weren't accompanied by even a passing question about how ONE
>>>>>> photographer happened to snap the shutter at the moments of the deaths
>>>>>> of TWO different soldiers within a few minutes at the VERY SAME SPOT
>>>>>> on a hillside. Not a word of skepticism on this point! Uncritical
>>>>>> acceptance of this most improbable coincidence is inadequate,
>>>>>> irresponsible journalism.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> To my mind, the second and lesser-known photograph is prima facie
>>>>>> evidence of several iterations of a staging. Unfortunately, this piece
>>>>>> does nothing to resolve the controversy.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> --howard
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jan 27, 2008, at 4:31 AM, Tarek Charara wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>           
>>>>>>> There was this essay posted here a few months ago:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> <http://www.pbs.org/wnet/americanmasters/database/capa_r.html>
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> For whatever it's worth... :^)
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> All the best from the south of France!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Tarek
>>>>>>>            
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