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Subject: [Leica] Capa or here we go again
From: walt at waltjohnson.com (Walt Johnson)
Date: Tue Jan 29 08:22:17 2008
References: <C3C36FE2.275D7%bd@bdcolenphoto.com> <CA2D064D-62B4-46D9-9557-A1B79ECD8AAD@charter.net> <479E2A39.8000102@waltjohnson.com> <BF352E9A-AEBE-457A-B346-1D1919C9A4AB@charter.net> <479F0A02.20107@waltjohnson.com> <1B8D216B-AB16-4E1D-9DCB-611B2AEA8B80@charter.net>

Interesting enough our media created as many characters with Viet Nam as 
Kubrick did with Strangelove. Bo Dai, Big Minh, The Nhu boys and Madame 
Nhu, least we forget the burning bonze. I  think Stanley missed the boat 
with Full Metal Jacket. Should have been more like Strangelove. Sellers 
could have done a good Nixon. :-)

slobodan dimitrov wrote:
> His Liquor store bellied up in 1984. I guess I missed my chance also. 
> Though you have to admit, it would been like a scene out of Dr. 
> Strangelove to have him in back of that counter ringing up six packs. 
> The scarf would been icing.
> s.d.
>
> On Jan 29, 2008, at 3:12 AM, Walt Johnson wrote:
>
> Hell, I saw him and the Mrs. at Hue in 1966. He was wearing a black 
> flight suit with a purple scarf..  A ver photogenic guy,wished I'd had 
> a Leica then. :-)
>
> slobodan dimitrov wrote:
>> No. But I was tempted to buy a bottle of beer from former Prime 
>> Minister Ky at his liquor store in Southern California.
>> s.d.
>>
>>
>> On Jan 28, 2008, at 11:17 AM, Walt Johnson wrote:
>>
>> Did you every eat in his D.C. restaurant?
>>
>> slobodan dimitrov wrote:
>>> It is, Lt. Colonel Nguyen Ngoc Loan.
>>>
>>> Photographers should leave the writing of history to historians, and 
>>> then quote them.
>>>
>>> Journalist, on the other hand, should leave analysis to historians, 
>>> as the also lack the foundational background to put two and two 
>>> together.
>>> s.d.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jan 28, 2008, at 8:41 AM, B. D. Colen wrote:
>>>
>>> Good Lord, Howard - What is so improbable that someone might shoot two
>>> people dying on approximately the same spot if the photographer was 
>>> crouched
>>> nearby, camera pointed toward the spot?
>>>
>>> I think what puzzles me the most about all this is not whether or 
>>> not it is
>>> real, but the seeming compulsion on the part of some to insist that 
>>> it is
>>> not.
>>>
>>> How is it that Eddie Adams managed to push his shutter release at the
>>> precise instant the Gen. Lon's bullet entered the skull of the VC 
>>> captive?
>>> Was that execution staged for Adams? Was he complicit in it?
>>>
>>> How did Bob Jackson happen to be in precisely the right position to 
>>> get that
>>> astounding photo of Jack Ruby shooting Oswald? Was he tipped ahead 
>>> that the
>>> shooting would take place?
>>>
>>> I don't think anyone asks those questions, yet, if one believes that
>>> uncritical "acceptance of this most improbable coincidence is 
>>> inadequate,
>>>> irresponsible journalism" is the only way to view the possibility 
>>>> that Capa
>>> shot - sorry - two people on the same spot, how can one deal with 
>>> those other
>>> two astounding coincidences?
>>>
>>> B. D.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 1/28/08 11:21 AM, "Walt Johnson" <walt@waltjohnson.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Howard
>>>>
>>>> I knew some good would come from my recent generosity in the 
>>>> collection
>>>> plate. Even the damn clouds are in identical formations. Too much
>>>> cogitation and too little evidence. Any one who has worked an 
>>>> interview
>>>> knows the ease of proving their original point of view. Especially, 
>>>> when
>>>> dealing with such antiquities. Where the hell are Scully and Mulder 
>>>> when
>>>> we need them? :-)
>>>>
>>>> Walt
>>>>
>>>> Howard Ritter wrote:
>>>>> Strange that the the writer's painstaking research and cogitation
>>>>> weren't accompanied by even a passing question about how ONE
>>>>> photographer happened to snap the shutter at the moments of the 
>>>>> deaths
>>>>> of TWO different soldiers within a few minutes at the VERY SAME SPOT
>>>>> on a hillside. Not a word of skepticism on this point! Uncritical
>>>>> acceptance of this most improbable coincidence is inadequate,
>>>>> irresponsible journalism.
>>>>>
>>>>> To my mind, the second and lesser-known photograph is prima facie
>>>>> evidence of several iterations of a staging. Unfortunately, this 
>>>>> piece
>>>>> does nothing to resolve the controversy.
>>>>>
>>>>> --howard
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jan 27, 2008, at 4:31 AM, Tarek Charara wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> There was this essay posted here a few months ago:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <http://www.pbs.org/wnet/americanmasters/database/capa_r.html>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For whatever it's worth... :^)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All the best from the south of France!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tarek
>>>>>
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