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Subject: [Leica] technology changes...
From: kididdoc at cox.net (Steve Barbour)
Date: Wed Sep 17 14:00:43 2008
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On Sep 17, 2008, at 1:01 PM, John Beeching wrote:

> Dear Steve,
>
> I am so glad I don't work professionally and so am under no need to  
> "go
> digital".  I think I'll keep putting film in my M until I pop my  
> clogs!


that's the way I feel, it all sounded so familiar, and sad...


glad I can do it for fun,

Steve
>
>
> John
>
> 2008/9/17 Steve Barbour <kididdoc@cox.net>
>
>> from another (computer) list...
>>
>> relevant, a very good summary I think, but many here have heard it,  
>> have
>> lived it, and many have to deal with it now...
>>
>> Steve
>>
>> **************
>>
>>> Well Shawn,
>>>
>>> I beg to differ. Life is not as simple as people wish it to be, I'm
>>> afraid....
>>>
>>> Without beating my own drum, I would say that I'm probably in a  
>>> better
>>> position to comment on this than many, having been a working  
>>> professional
>>> photographer for 22 years now...
>>>
>>> I've lived and worked through the demise of film and the advent of
>>> digital, and I can honestly say with my hand on my heart that I  
>>> never used
>>> to waste so much 'down-time' as I do now having to keep abreast  
>>> and paying
>>> for technology that at the end of the day does the same thing that  
>>> it did 22
>>> years ago...that is make photographs.
>>>
>>> OH - I can now wizz them across the planet in zilch time. Big  
>>> Deal. That
>>> doesn't help my bottom line. It just adds more stress to my work  
>>> day.
>>> Clients do not want to pay for this. They expect it in with the  
>>> package
>>> these days....They want me not only to drive to the location (300  
>>> mile trip)
>>> shoot the photos, but also develop them and "ping" them over to  
>>> the US or
>>> wherever before I go to bed. Its totally pants. When I shoot, I  
>>> simply don't
>>> sleep...which makes me ill....which creates more stress blah de  
>>> blah...But I
>>> digress...
>>>
>>> When I started professional photography in 1986 I saved my money and
>>> invested in a medium format system that served me well for many  
>>> years - I
>>> still have it and it still works now and takes beautiful  
>>> photographs.
>>> Clients used to be happy to pay for the film and processing. Job  
>>> Done.
>>>
>>> I also have a Nikon D3 (and had D2x and D100 and .....get the  
>>> picture -
>>> pardon the pun) and with each camera purchase comes a raft of
>>> disappointments as the latest camera body doesn't work well with  
>>> last years
>>> lens...Take for example the D3...Nikons current flagship  
>>> model...It doesn't
>>> even work properly with the current 70-200 f2.8 VR lens - Yes, I  
>>> grant you
>>> it works sort of...as long as you are prepared to live with massive
>>> vingretting...the whole digitisation of the industry is quite  
>>> shocking. So
>>> when Photokina is launched next week (yet another commercial
>>> merry-go-round), I'll be having to keep an eye out to replace  
>>> another $2,500
>>> lens....The one I'm replacing is only 2 years old !!
>>>
>>> And no Shawn...this didn't use to happen with film. I know.  
>>> Because I
>>> remember. You bought a Hasslebald lens...it would last decades.
>>>
>>> The reality for photographers is that we are having to waste all  
>>> our time
>>> and effort "learning" new ways to make the same wheel, rather than  
>>> creating
>>> challenging and creative imagrey. Digital Technology has been a  
>>> complete
>>> disaster for independant photography, as sole traders like myself  
>>> simply do
>>> not have enough hours in the day to do and learn all the technology.
>>>
>>> But somehow we have to. But don't tell me its "always been like  
>>> this"
>>> Because that's simply an inaccurate statement. It has never been  
>>> like this
>>> before ! Technology is simply undermining and blocking true  
>>> creativity and
>>> real life observation skills. And no amount of pixel counting and  
>>> special
>>> effects in Photoshop will change this, or make the person using  
>>> the computer
>>> a better photographer.
>>>
>>> I would also add that in my experience Computer Technology has  
>>> undermined
>>> what photography is about..people look at my images these days and  
>>> "assume"
>>> they were done in Photoshop ! Even the documentary images - this  
>>> destroys
>>> the very essense of what I stand for.
>>>
>>> Because of Technology - Photography is no longer 'trusted' to  
>>> represent
>>> anything more than a glint in someones eye, and has been ruthlessly
>>> commodotised. I've even had "serious" discussions with clients  
>>> telling me I
>>> should charge for my photos by the MB - and not by any aesthetic
>>> principle...
>>>
>>> Its all very insulting to be honest...
>>>
>>> Best wishes,
>>> David
>>>
>>>
>>> David Townend Photography
>>>
>>> http://www.davidtownend.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 17 Sep 2008, at 16:27, Shawn King wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Photographers (and others) have *always* gone through this,  
>>>> computers or
>>>> not, digital or not.
>>>>
>>>> The technology of almost everything moves forward those who rely  
>>>> on that
>>>> technology for whatever reasons move forward with it - or they  
>>>> get left
>>>> behind.
>>>> --
>>>> Shawn King
>>>> Host/Executive Producer
>>>> Your Mac Life
>>>> http://www.yourmaclifeshow.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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>
>
>
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