Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2008/09/23

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Subject: [Leica] R10 in development
From: imagist3 at mac.com (Lottermoser George)
Date: Tue Sep 23 08:36:43 2008
References: <C4FE07B8.37035%mark@rabinergroup.com> <FD3C5CAB-340C-4C4B-986F-C9F7A18C74DE@mac.com> <48D90316.6020205@gmx.de>

; ~ ) indeed

I would like people
to speak
simply and accurately
in terms of size

as an elder-fart
we always referred to 8x10, 6x6, 6x9, 35mm etc.
in harmony with focal length of lens
never heard of "full frame" (a term totally without meaning)
'til digital sensors arrived

tell me the specific
sensor size (or film dimension)
and lens focal length
I can visualize
the field of view
with that information

this "crop factor" "full frame" "35mm equivalent"
stuff just turns a simple thing into double speak

Fond regards,
George

george@imagist.com
http://www.imagist.com
http://www.imagist.com/blog
http://www.linkedin.com/in/imagist



On Sep 23, 2008, at 9:54 AM, Douglas Sharp wrote:

> Hi George
> I suggest calling "normal" format "Double-cine" or "Barnack"  
> format :-)    (I refrain from writing "OB" format, OB is the best  
> selling brand of Tampons in Germany)
> Cheers
> Douglas
>
>
> Lottermoser George wrote:
>> never understood
>> "normal"
>> (except as a city in Illinois)
>>
>> never met a normal person
>> never met a normal lens
>>
>> glass plate, tintype cameras:
>> 6.5 x 8.5 inches Full-plate
>> 4.5 x 5.5 inches Half-plate
>> 3.125 x 4.125 inches Quarter-plate
>>  2.5 x 3.5 inches Sixth-plate
>>  2 x 2.5 inches Ninth-plate
>>  1.625 x 2.125 inches Sixteenth-plate
>> .5 x 1 inch  Gem
>>
>> film cameras that I've actually used:
>> 12 x 20 inches
>> 11 x 14 inches
>> 8 x 10 inches
>> 5 x 7 inches
>> 4 x 5 inches
>> 3.25 x 4.25 inches
>> 2.25 x 3.25 inches
>> various polaroid formats from 8x10 to sx70
>> 2.25 x 2.75590553 inches
>> 2.25 x 2.25 inches
>> 24 x 36 mm
>> 16 mm
>>
>> film cameras I've not used:
>> half frame
>> minox (what ever size that is)
>> variwide (what ever size that is)
>> and many other specialized formats
>>
>> Digital sensor cameras (a partial list):
>> 4 x 3 mm
>> 4.536 x 3.416 mm
>> 4.8 x 3.6 mm
>> 5.27 x 3.96 mm
>> 6.4 x 4.8 mm
>> 7.176 x 5.319 mm
>> 8.8 x 6.6 mm
>> 12.8 x 9.6 mm
>> 18 x 13.5 mm
>> 22.7 x 15.1 mm
>> 23.7 x 15.6 mm
>> 25.1 x 16.7 mm
>> 36 x 24 mm
>> 30 x 45 mm (Leica S2)
>> 56 x 41.5 mm
>>
>> "normal" format
>> and related lenses
>> have never existed
>> in the world of photography
>> for more than a short time
>>
>> "normal" = whatever
>> camera/lens you're making
>> a photograph with
>>
>> Fond regards,
>> George
>>
>> george@imagist.com
>> http://www.imagist.com
>> http://www.imagist.com/blog
>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/imagist
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sep 23, 2008, at 1:40 AM, Mark Rabiner wrote:
>>
>>> To me a normal lens is what spells it out.
>>
>>
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