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Subject: [Leica] Re: critique (WAS: Camera store senorita)
From: photo at frozenlight.eu (Nathan Wajsman)
Date: Sat Nov 15 21:07:20 2008
References: <7auabm$1euecb@pd3mo1so-svcs.prod.shaw.ca>

If I post a picture that sucks, I do not mind being told that it  
sucks, especially not by people like Ted or George who will typically  
also say why they think the picture sucks, and more often than not, be  
right.

Cheers,
Nathan

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On Nov 16, 2008, at 3:14 AM, Ted Grant wrote:

> George Lottermoser offered:
>
>>> In all seriousness, Ted, while I agree with what you expressed I'm  
>>> not
> sure this email format
>
> works well for "hard assed about the quality"
>
>
>
> I see things and think, "don't post those thoughts"
>
> especially when others say "great shot"
>
> about images that I'm thinking "why did you bother to make and show  
> that
> photograph?"
>
>
>
> There's something about email which does not serve
>
> cold water well.<<<<<<<<<
>
>
>
> Hi George,
>
> Absolutely been there and said it to myself. You're absolutely  
> correct about
> the e-mail system not being conducive to wrapping another's  
> knuckles, or
> trying to explain an improvement particularly doing so in the face of
> several hundreds of viewers. Without instant opportunity of rebuttal  
> or
> question.
>
> Or worse, ten others coming back with their versions of what maybe  
> good or
> bad after one has given a solid critique. That only creates ten  
> points of
> view and confusion to the original shooter.
>
>
>
> I suppose my comment was along the lines of my Leica Seminar when we  
> do the
> "Critique session" on the final afternoon while everyone hears my  
> comments
> of each photograph. This becomes a learning lesson for all in  
> attendance.
>
> Certainly when the attendees have all been shooting within the same  
> area, it
> illustrates what some have seen and others haven't. Or one shoots the
> subject beautifully, 5 others shoot the identical subject, but with  
> what
> appears not one thought of composition, light in particular. Or the  
> many
> elements of creating a "well composed" and interesting photograph  
> that's
> pleasing to the eyes!
>
>
>
> As you mentioned, >>>" I'm not sure this email format
>
> works well for "hard assed about the quality"
>
> On second thought I agree with you completely. And on occasion why  
> I've
> offered a photo would be better discussed about a round table and a  
> beer to
> keep it in perspective and peaceful. :-)
>
>
>
> So in that perspective I suggest I'll leave well enough alone! :-) :-)
>
> ted
>
>
>
>
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In reply to: Message from tedgrant at shaw.ca (Ted Grant) ([Leica] IMG: Camera store senorita)