Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2008/12/21

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Subject: [Leica] S2 Lenses MTF & Resolutions
From: photo at frozenlight.eu (Nathan Wajsman)
Date: Sun Dec 21 06:25:58 2008
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Steve, yes, that world is far removed for most of us, and even though  
the person I refer to is my friend, I do not particularly like the  
pictures he takes--they just leave me cold. But that was not the point  
of my message. We were discussing whether the S2 would be commercially  
viable for Leica. And I argued that yes, it would be, although  
probably not in the LUG world.

Nathan

Nathan Wajsman
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On Dec 21, 2008, at 2:14 PM, Steve Barbour wrote:

> On Dec 20, 2008, at 10:34 PM, Nathan Wajsman wrote:
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>> Frank, one of my friends is a commercial/fashion photographer. You  
>> have no idea how much money is spent on the photographs in a full- 
>> page ad or double-page spread that is to appear in a magazine like  
>> Cosmopolitan or Vanity Fair (I am not talking about my friend's  
>> fees, but about the total cost of the shoot). The cost of an S2 is  
>> petty cash in comparison.
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> I agree that there is another world out there Nathan, since the S2  
> is a Leica it's appropriate to discuss it here...
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> But in so many ways it's removed from our needs and our customary  
> LUG world...it is entirely remote from our photographic needs,  
> interests, goals, experience, finances, not to mention the qualities  
> that brought us to the LUG...
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> I would estimate that if you can buy, need, use, pay for an  
> S2...reading the LUG is furthest thing from your mind...(even though  
> often fun and informative...)
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> When we say "go take pictures" that doesn't mean go to your studio,  
> to shoot models for Vanity Fair....
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> Why get our undies in a bunch over a camera that realistically few  
> need, can afford, or will ever use....
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> which stands for a way of creating pictures that would make M. HCB  
> turn over in his grave...?
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>> Nathan
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>> Nathan Wajsman
>> Alicante, Spain
>> http://www.frozenlight.eu
>> http://www.greatpix.eu
>> http://www.nathanfoto.com
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>> Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0
>> PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws
>> Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog
>>
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>> On Dec 21, 2008, at 4:57 AM, Frank Filippone wrote:
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>>> My $0.02
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>>> Why would a Industrial customer ( including a magazine) want  
>>> superb image
>>> quality when the images to be printed, in a magazine or  
>>> newspaper,  are
>>> 8x11?  Or even 17x11 ( double page spread) ?    Good enough is good
>>> enough.... and spending more on something no one can see nor the  
>>> printer can
>>> print is downright wasteful.  Corporations are not into waste.   
>>> Portrait
>>> Pros?  How many portraits ( % of the total portrait market,  
>>> including
>>> wedding ) go bigger than 8x10/11x14 and demand quality above  the  
>>> big time
>>> Canon or Nikon cameras?  Not much.
>>>
>>> ( I will not mention the fact that for really great, really HIGH end
>>> photography, there still is Film in sizes to 11x14...... ).
>>>
>>> I think that the market for the S2 is only one.... well heeled  
>>> amateurs.
>>> And Leica is  going after them..........
>>>
>>> All the hoopla about extra superb image quality is probably true,  
>>> and the
>>> Pro attitude is to convince amateurs that they can achieve that  
>>> "quality of
>>> a Pro" by using the S2.  All of which may be true.  But to be  
>>> really true,
>>> the Pros would NEED to use the S2 in their jobs.
>>>
>>> I doubt it....
>>>
>>> We have a bunch of pros on this list.... how many of you NEED to  
>>> use the top
>>> rated Hasselblad or Sinar, or whatever cameras to produce images  
>>> your
>>> customer base requires?  Canon and Leica DMR or M8 and Nikon need  
>>> not
>>> respond...... you are the "normal" quality......
>>>
>>> The difference is perception vs need.
>>>
>>> Pros... how about a reasonable assessment of your customer  
>>> base......??????
>>>
>>> Need or perception?  What percentage demand quality above all  
>>> else?  Cost be
>>> of secondary importance..........by far......
>>>
>>> Frank Filippone
>>> red735i@earthlink.net
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>>> Steve , in my opinion, the purpose of the S2 is to offer a superb  
>>> medium
>>> format LEICA system at the top of the quality tree for pros.
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In reply to: Message from hoppyman at bigpond.net.au (Geoff Hopkinson) ([Leica] S2 Lenses MTF diagrams)
Message from mark at rabinergroup.com (Mark Rabiner) ([Leica] S2 Lenses MTF diagrams)
Message from richard.lists at gmail.com (Richard Man) ([Leica] S2 Lenses MTF diagrams)
Message from kididdoc at cox.net (Steve Barbour) ([Leica] S2 Lenses MTF & Resolutions)
Message from hoppyman at bigpond.net.au (Geoff Hopkinson) ([Leica] S2 Lenses MTF & Resolutions)
Message from red735i at earthlink.net (Frank Filippone) ([Leica] S2 Lenses MTF & Resolutions)
Message from photo at frozenlight.eu (Nathan Wajsman) ([Leica] S2 Lenses MTF & Resolutions)
Message from kididdoc at cox.net (Steve Barbour) ([Leica] S2 Lenses MTF & Resolutions)