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Subject: [Leica] Re: 60 Macro-Elmarit
From: sethrosner at nycap.rr.com (Seth Rosner)
Date: Mon Jan 5 03:34:21 2009
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Negative Phillipe! M's and R's simply serve different purposes. Reminds me 
of an  aphorism in a little book entitled (puleeze, Libbers, don't jump me; 
I was a women's libber 40+ years ago - my ma taught me) "Life with Women and 
How to Survive It". Its author, one Dr. Joseph Peck, was a general practice 
physician in a small county seat town in the middle of the Iowa plains who 
had delivered I don't know how many thousands of the county's babies etc 
etc; he wrote: "women aren't superior to men, neither are they inferior; 
they simply belong to a different race".

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Philippe AMARD" <philippe.amard@tele2.fr>
To: "Leica Users Group" <lug@leica-users.org>
Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 12:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Leica] Re: 60 Macro-Elmarit


> LoL
>
> Are you suggesting that M users are frustrated R users?
> If so, Geoff is right , I must need an M8, and get double frustration ;-)
>
> Does anyone on the list, apart from Marc, know of a good psycho-analyst?
>
> Bien amicalement
> Phx - Macro-Elmarit user on a rebadged Digilux 3
> http://gallery.leica-users.org/d/88906-3/wing-technology.jpg
>
>
>
> Seth Rosner wrote:
>
>> Eh bien, mon cher ami Philippe, many quite incredible 'buys' today
>> with the shift from film. One might have thought that for reflex
>> photography which, other than wildlife and sports, is almost by
>> definition a more contemplative manner of image-making, people might
>> have stayed longer with film. Apparently not. Actually, I like what
>> Erwin calls the 'fingerprint' of this lens so much that I had a
>> fantasy dream that Leica took its optics and put them in an M8.2 mount!
>>
>> Seth
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Philippe AMARD"
>> <philippe.amard@tele2.fr>
>> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug@leica-users.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 10:46 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Re: 60 Macro-Elmarit
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Seth Rosner wrote:
>>>
>>>> Doug wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: <wildlightphoto@earthlink.net>
>>>> To: <sethrosner@nycap.rr.com>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 8:46 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: 60 Macro
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> An amazing lens that remained in the Leitz/Leica catalog from
>>>>>> 1972 until a year ago.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It's no longer in the catalog ?!??  It's time to either fly the flag
>>>>> at half-mast or watch for a new 50mm APO-Macro-Summicron-R.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Doug
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I think I'm right about the 60 Macro-Elmarit being gone, Doug. OTOH,
>>>> there are a ton of these lenses appearing on eB** at very reasonable
>>>> prices; can't quite figure out why.
>>>
>>>
>>> What if it was for the lack of an R9.2 Diesel to go with it?
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Of course I could be wrong, but if Leica brings out another 'normal'
>>>> focal-length macro-lens, I'd be a bit surprised if it were designated
>>>> APO. 30 years ago I was in correspondence with Geoffrey Crawley, then
>>>> Editor-in-chief of the British Journal of Photography, about lens
>>>> design and performance. A propos the 50 Summicrons and Switars, he
>>>> wrote me that while Kern (Alpa) "have always made a bit of a fuss
>>>> about being Apo's" in his opinion, all modern normal focal-length
>>>> lenses from the top manufacturers were of apochromatic design. OTOH, I
>>>> would be quite surprised if such a new Leica Macro-R lens were not
>>>> aspheric. My issue with some current ASPH lenses - and please don't
>>>> jump on me, gals and guys, it's an impression - is that they are of
>>>> such high contrast that they not only sacrifice resolution to some
>>>> extent, they provide a somewhat hard, edgy image, some would say
>>>> harsh, that departs from the plasticity of the images made by Leitz
>>>> lenses from the mid-1950s to 1970s. That may be very desirable for
>>>> reportage photography but for other photographic purposes it departs
>>>> from the imagery I prefer. I ought to add that the reputation of those
>>>> earlier Leitz lenses for flare and only medium contrast is seriously
>>>> overdone. Stop them down two stops and their contrast is excellent
>>>> across the frame, comparing very favorably with all of the later
>>>> 'high-contrast' Leica lenses, though not the latest ASPH renditions.
>>>>
>>>> Seth
>>>>
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