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Subject: [Leica] 90mm Macro Elmar M
From: tgray at 125px.com (Tim Gray)
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 14:22:02 -0400
References: <8f5413a60903300412o698e092cq97272f47fe1b7733@mail.gmail.com> <C5F684B3.4C0F4%mark@rabinergroup.com>

Haha.  Well said.  The 75 I'm sure is a great lens.  As is the 50
ASPH, which I have.  One great lens like that is enough.  Time for a
small one.  f/4 and be there is correct.  Be there as in be there in
my bag, and not at home.  I decided against the Summarit.

On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 2:16 PM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> 
wrote:
> In Leica M use many people think of their 50 as their long lens and shoot
> portraits with it. Jim Marshall for instant. Hundreds of Jazz and rock
> celebrities. All with a 50. Henri Cartier Besson look at his portrait book.
> All with a 50.
>
> Tim, Although a 75 does not give you the perspective of a 90 a 90 does not
> give you the perspective of a 75 either
> In use you'd find the 75 nothing similar to a 50. I'd use a separate
> viewfinder not those frame lines in the camera.
>
> The 90 appeals to me because its slow.
> F 4 and be there. I love that.
> A 39 filter size.
> And light. 11 oz in silver lighter in black by quite a bit do doubt.
> And collapsible.
> The 75 is bigger and heavier all round. With a 49 filter size.
>
> I'd think the 90mm f/4 Macro-Elmar M in the same generation of lens design
> evolvement as the LEICA APO-SUMMICRON-M 75 mm f/2 ASPH.
>
> But in the tele area the 75 is Leica's latest breaking lens representing 
> the
> culmination of all they've learned about optics. I like that.
> The words "Summicron" always stops me in my tracks.
> "Elmar" makes me think "Fud".
> I also like it when they stick APO ?on a lens depending on the typography.
> Leica has great typography. And are real serious about their "APO".
> I also like it when the put ASPH On the lens with their typography.
> Circles are boring.
> I love non circles. Or A circles. Or odd circles.
> I love the latest lens technology.
> Almost as much as I love the latest typography.
> Not the same thing I say. Others don't.
>
> A Summarit which promises NOT to give me any of that you'll not in my 
> camera
> bag or camera apartment.
> F 2.5 and be elsewhere.
> Mediocrity is not what I look for in a new Leica lens
>
> I'm starting to like silver lenes.
> On black bodies.
>
> To be or not to be
> The compact collapsible 90mm f/4 Macro-Elmar M
> Or the awesome APO-SUMMICRON-M 75 mm f/2 ASPH.
>
> I'd kill for either of these lenes.
> Come to think of it its a tossup.
> On a carpeted floor I hope.
>
>
> Mark William Rabiner
>
>
>
>> From: Tim Gray <tgray at 125px.com>
>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>> Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 07:12:49 -0400
>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Leica] 90mm Macro Elmar M
>>
>> I've thought about the 75 for that reason, and while it might cover
> some of
>> the same ground close in, it's ultimately a 75mm lens. ?Which
> means I don't
>> have the reach of a 90 when I want it, and also will not
> have the perspective
>> of a 90 for portraits, etc. ?I already have a
> nice 50mm lens, and I think the
>> 75 will be a bit too close to that.
> It's also not as compact, and for the
>> price, you can get the whole 90
> macro set, which does give you better close up
>> abilities.
>
> Though, I do agree, if 75mm suits your style, you can fill some of
>> the
> gaps with that lens.
>
> On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 1:56 AM, Mark Rabiner
>> <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote:
>> Although if its a macro in the SLR world
>> sense of the word its not optimized
>> for infinity but close in.
>> And flat
>> field though I'd not ask for that in this case.
>> But think it might be a one
>> in four chance its there.
>>
>> Me I shoot a lot more pix at 4 feet than
>> infinity so I find macros
>> agreeable.
>> And I like they cause they're slow
>> and often have well protected front
>> elements which don't even require lens
>> hoods.
>> But often the find themselves too heavy. To many extra elements I
>> guess so
>> they do well close in and are ableI'v to rack out. All that
>> machinery.
>>
>>
>> Mark William Rabiner
>>
>>
>>
>>> From: Henning Wulff
>> <henningw at archiphoto.com>
>>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group
>> <lug at leica-users.org>
>>> Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 20:30:52 -0700
>>> To: Leica
>> Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] 90mm Macro Elmar
>> M
>>>
>>> Anyone interested in the 90 macro should note that the 75 Summicron
>>>
>> (or Summilux, for that matter) will enable a reproduction ration of
>>> 1:7,
>> whereas the 90 macro, without eyes will enable a rep.ratio of
>>> 1:6.7.
>> Essentially the same.
>>>
>>> So if you have or are considering either of these
>> 75's, and don't
>>> intend to get the goggles for the 90 macro, don't bother
>> unless other
>>> qualities like the collapsibility are your main reasons.
>>>
>>>
>> Or get the 90 and goggles, as that combo definitely allows the
>>> highest
>> magnification on an M without Visoflex.
>>>
>>> BTW, the 75 Summicron works
>> excellently in the close up range, what
>>> with its floating elements for
>> correction. The Summilux doesn't do as
>>> well.
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> ? ? *
>> ?Henning J. Wulff
>>> ? ?/|\ ? ? ?Wulff Photography & Design
>>> ? /###\
>> mailto:henningw at archiphoto.com
>>> ? |[ ]| ? ? http://www.archiphoto.com
>>>
>>>
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In reply to: Message from tgray at 125px.com (Tim Gray) ([Leica] 90mm Macro Elmar M)
Message from mark at rabinergroup.com (Mark Rabiner) ([Leica] 90mm Macro Elmar M)