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Subject: [Leica] Slow CV 20mm...now S2
From: jayanand at gmail.com (Jayanand Govindaraj)
Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 18:48:42 +0530
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I, too, wish them well, but I agree with Steve - its an uncertain but
gutsy move. I can understand ditching the R system, but not developing
new products for their M system boggles the imagination! Lets see what
transpires.
Cheers
Jayanand

On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 6:43 PM, Steve Barbour <kididdoc at cox.net> wrote:
>
> On May 7, 2009, at 5:51 AM, leo wesson wrote:
>
>> I'm kinda worried about the success of the S2. ?It's a hard sell to get
>> someone to totally buy into a new system at that dollar level.
>> I hope it works as advertised. ?I can tell you that if it has little
>> hickies
>> (like, opps funny colors unless you add this $200 dollar filter that isn't
>> available when the camera was released) it will be dead in the water.
>> ?Pros
>> don't mind spending ?$ on equipment ?(either purchased or rented) but the
>> equipment has to work as advertised and they have to trust it so that
>> their
>> client has no surprises.
>> It's a totally different shooter that they will be dealing with.
>
> Leica has ventured into real deep water here, opting to develop a brand new
> camera system, leaving their established products,
> both M ?and R in limbo...
>
> I think we all know this...a huge gamble...and not making their established
> core very happy...while they jump off into the great unknown.
>
> Sometimes it's best to complete one project, rather than starting multiple
> projects, no matter how good they sound.
>
> If nothing else, it's a message to possible S2 system buyers, that they too
> could become similarly stranded.
>
> In any case, for those that may first buy the S2 system, it will possibly
> say more about their financial circumstances, than their photographic
> ability or good sense.
>
> I hope it works, though that remains to be seen. If not, ?it may be the end
> of the Leica company.
>
> Steve
>
>
>
>>
>> Leo Wesson
>> Photographer/Videographer
>> 817.733.9157
>> www.leowesson.com
>>
>>
>> On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 2:56 AM, Geoff Hopkinson
>> <hopsternew at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Mark, I worry about the S2 success too, but I have no pro market
>>> knowledge
>>> at all.
>>> That is what Leica has committed to, you have to accept the reality
>>> unless
>>> you have a few million spare Euro to contribute.
>>>
>>> No new 24x36 digital M anytime soon. Wishing won't make it so ;-)
>>> But you can get into the digital M market right now and just use all of
>>> the
>>> 19 other current models if you want.
>>> Or of course there must be some of the other few million produced still
>>> floating around!
>>> Obviously there's nothing comparable to the 3 new very fast designs from
>>> the
>>> other makers.
>>>
>>> Never mind, we shall have to continue to agree to disagree on the
>>> significance of the 1.33 crop factor for the M8.
>>> (but ask the other LUG members that shoot their great glass on their M8's
>>> if you want)
>>> I'll try to bite my tongue next time ;-)
>>>
>>>
>>> 2009/5/7 Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com>
>>>
>>>> Geoff I don't object to fast cutting edge lenses I love them but
>>>> shooting
>>>> through just the middle of them does not justify the size, weight and
>>>> especially the cost. We've been through this before maybe we're saying
>>>> it
>>>> better this time.
>>>>
>>>> I can't see how Leica is going to do well competing against Fujiblad a
>>>> camera which is mainly rented by pros by the day with a guy running a
>>>> big
>>>> monitor and the software which goes with it.
>>>> Not bought.
>>>> Rented.
>>>> Borrowed.
>>>> That awesome amount of money behind the R&D on the S system could surely
>>>> have put us in business with the Leica glass we shot film with in the
>>>
>>> 90's.
>>>>
>>>> Leica might be making an S outa themselves my pappy would have
>>>> said................................
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Cheers
>>>> Geoff
>>>> 'Life's not B&W, except at both ends'
>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/gh/
>>>> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman
>>>>
>>>
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Replies: Reply from mark at rabinergroup.com (Mark Rabiner) ([Leica] Slow CV 20mm...now S2)
In reply to: Message from hopsternew at gmail.com (Geoff Hopkinson) ([Leica] Slow CV 20mm for Pentax Nikon)
Message from mark at rabinergroup.com (Mark Rabiner) ([Leica] Slow CV 20mm for Pentax Nikon)
Message from hopsternew at gmail.com (Geoff Hopkinson) ([Leica] Slow CV 20mm for Pentax Nikon)
Message from leowesson at gmail.com (leo wesson) ([Leica] Slow CV 20mm for Pentax Nikon)
Message from kididdoc at cox.net (Steve Barbour) ([Leica] Slow CV 20mm...now S2)