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Subject: [Leica] doing it for real
From: kididdoc at cox.net (Steve Barbour)
Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 10:36:33 -0700
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On May 7, 2009, at 10:17 AM, bruce golding wrote:

> steve, tell that to the western world ................ and those who  
> live in hope.
>
> it all relates to man's demand for possession. food need is excepted.


> yes,
>
> so the problem is not what's available, it's peoples' desire/ability  
> to access it.
>
> Steve



>
> b.
>
> On 7-mei-2009, at 19:03, Steve Barbour wrote:
>
>>
>> On May 7, 2009, at 8:12 AM, Chris Saganich wrote:
>>
>>> Correct although I never to meant to imply I thought this is  
>>> static, one achieves new perspective through interaction in the  
>>> world and then subsequently must reinterpret what they think.   
>>> Having an open or positive mindset allows this but many people  
>>> have fixed mindsets and are not open to new perspectives.  They  
>>> are static.
>>
>>
>> yes,
>>
>> so the problem is not what's available, it's peoples' desire/ 
>> ability to access it.
>>
>> Steve
>>
>>
>>>
>>> At 10:36 AM 5/7/2009, you wrote:
>>>
>>>> On May 7, 2009, at 7:23 AM, Chris Saganich wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Reading and watching is a state.  The interpretation of what you
>>>>> read and watch is the action.  A person can read and watch
>>>>> everything that exists and will only interpret within their
>>>>> perspective.  How can an interpretation be made outside your
>>>>> perspective?  I believe therefore one would be hard-pressed to  
>>>>> come
>>>>> up with an example of a person making an interpretation outside  
>>>>> what
>>>>> they already think.
>>>>
>>>> at the core I agree with you Chris, but things are not static... if
>>>> one is open to learning,
>>>>
>>>> once that is accomplished, a person may be capable of new
>>>> interpretations...
>>>>
>>>> so one has to be open to learning, and find productive avenues to
>>>> accomplish that....
>>>>
>>>> Steve
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Or do you do what most people do, only read/watch what fits
>>>>>> in with what they already think? I really feel sorry for you!
>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>> Jayanand
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 3:20 AM, Slobodan Dimitrov
>>>>>> <s.dimitrov at charter.net> wrote:
>>>>>> > I'm in the middle of reading Human Smoke, Nicholson Baker,  
>>>>>> 2008.
>>>>>> It's a
>>>>>> > history of the interwar period, up to 1941, using news  
>>>>>> articles,
>>>>>> diary
>>>>>> > entries, etc., from a pacifist's point of view.
>>>>>> > It's grim reading, and an indelible commentary on journalism,
>>>>>> without
>>>>>> > "choosing sides".
>>>>>> > The BBC strikes me as being virtually within the same mold as
>>>>>> Radio Free
>>>>>> > America, Radio Free Europe, Radio Moscow, Vatican Radio, etc.
>>>>>> Meaning it is
>>>>>> > a "point of view" form of broadcasting, with government  
>>>>>> funding.
>>>>>> > S.d.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > On May 6, 2009, at 10:19 AM, Philippe AMARD wrote:
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Slobodan Dimitrov wrote:
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>> Outside of the former Soviet environment, British  
>>>>>> journalism is
>>>>>> one  of
>>>>>> >>> the most censored on the planet.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> BBC included?
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> I must listen to Bejing radio immediately
>>>>>> >> Ph
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>> Then again, on the academic level, anyone learning journalism
>>>>>> in the  US,
>>>>>> >>> at the multiplicity of Annenberg School(s) for Communication,
>>>>>> is  taught
>>>>>> >>> self censorship. A predictable mind provides a safe product.
>>>>>> >>> S.d.
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> On May 6, 2009, at 6:23 AM, Tina Manley wrote:
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>>> At 08:41 AM 5/6/2009, you wrote:
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>>> Mark said:
>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>> And why would you felt like you needed to oblige them?
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> Because they refuse access unless you agree to their terms.
>>>>>> That's
>>>>>> >>>>  true of more and more organizations.  All of the photos  
>>>>>> taken
>>>>>> on  National
>>>>>> >>>> Trust property in England have been removed from Alamy
>>>>>> because the Trust
>>>>>> >>>> refuses to allow photographers use photos taken  on their
>>>>>> grounds.  Usually
>>>>>> >>>> it's because the organization wants to  make money  
>>>>>> themselves
>>>>>> by leasing the
>>>>>> >>>> photos - like many museums  don't allow photography so they
>>>>>> can sell slides
>>>>>> >>>> and prints in the  gift shop.
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>>> The exact same thing...When the subjects lay out ground  
>>>>>> rules
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> >>>>>  access or want to review images before publication it's  
>>>>>> time
>>>>>> to  walk away.
>>>>>> >>>>> Walt
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> I agree but there are more and more things we're having to
>>>>>> walk  away
>>>>>> >>>> from these days.  British photographers are protesting the
>>>>>> National Trust
>>>>>> >>>> stand but I doubt they'll be able to change anything.
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> Tina
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> Tina Manley
>>>>>> >>>> www.tinamanley.com
>>>>>> >>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>> Chris Saganich MS, CPH
>>>>> Senior Physicist, Office of Health Physics
>>>>> Weill Medical College of Cornell University
>>>>> New York Presbyterian Hospital
>>>>> chs2018 at med.cornell.edu
>>>>> http://intranet.med.cornell.edu/research/health_phys/
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>>>
>>> Chris Saganich MS, CPH
>>> Senior Physicist, Office of Health Physics
>>> Weill Medical College of Cornell University
>>> New York Presbyterian Hospital
>>> chs2018 at med.cornell.edu
>>> http://intranet.med.cornell.edu/research/health_phys/
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>>> Fax. 212.746.4800
>>> Office A-0049
>>>
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