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Subject: [Leica] How I plan to get my M9 while keeping both kidneys...
From: Frank.Dernie at btinternet.com (Frank Dernie)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 22:43:50 +0100
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I really don't know. I am sure a dedicated B&W sensor would give  
better results than the current bayer pattern ones converted to B&W,  
probably by a lot, but that is hypothetical, 'cause you can't buy one.  
In terms of resolution 25asa B&W film probably still has it. The  
benefit of digital is in the colour. 1 set of 4 Bayer pattern pixels  
can produce 12 bit or 14 bit colour (and even now 16 bit colour is  
talked of for the S2) whereas it takes a lot of coloured dye clouds in  
developed film to get anywhere near that, if possible at all.
Frank

On 14 Sep, 2009, at 17:00, Chris Saganich wrote:

> Does this opinion hold for B&W??
>
>
> At 04:28 AM 9/12/2009, you wrote:
>> My impression is that in terms of quality currently available cropped
>> format digital is better in most conditions that 35mm film, "Full
>> format" digital better than MF and MF digital than 5x4 (4x5 in  
>> USA). I
>> say in most conditions since I am sure experts can come up with
>> circumstances favouring film.
>> I would not worry too much about available formats nowadays. if 35mm
>> film was good enough for what you are doing, the latest 4/3 digital
>> would equally suffice, if you used a Hasselblad, try a Nikon D3x, and
>> for landscapes some specialists are going MF digital, though the
>> technical requirements to achieve the superior potential are exigent,
>> as per the links I posted the other month.
>> Sure bigger format is better as it always has been, but the relative
>> requirements have changed.
>> The Minox with its 8x11 mm bit of film is dire compared to P&S  
>> digital
>> with sensors smaller than this, despite its precision.
>> Frank
>>
>> On 12 Sep, 2009, at 08:32, Mark Rabiner wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>>> However, the stuff about price is pretty much spot on. When the M8
>>>> was
>>>> released in late 2006, the list price was around 4800 EUR if I
>>>> remember correctly. When I finally bought mine late last year, the
>>>> price after rebate was around 2500 EUR (2140 GBP to be precise, I
>>>> bought mine in the UK).
>>>>
>>>> Nathan
>>>
>>>
>>> What you may not be considering is the demise of cropped format
>>> digital
>>> photography for high end "35mm" work.
>>> You don't spend Leica M money unless you are planning of having the
>>> option
>>> of doing high end work with it. Those options became limited in the
>>> past
>>> year or so.
>>>
>>>
>>> Mark William Rabiner
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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