Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2009/10/22

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Subject: [Leica] Stock Photography
From: tedgrant at shaw.ca (tedgrant at shaw.ca)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 11:05:44 -0700
References: <4ADF0E4A.2010400@comporium.net> <5464C8B2604245D7B2C28B330C67185E@syneticfeba505> <4ADF4769.9090202@comcast.net> <6.2.5.6.2.20091021150415.02c252e8@med.cornell.edu> <EFA4092628474E8FB4B4897BAD55C99C@syneticfeba505> <6.2.5.6.2.20091022123115.02e72c28@med.cornell.edu>

Gee Chris, YOU NEVER MENTIONED TV ADVERTISING very 3 minutes or so?

Is it we the photographers who tick you off or is it the constant 
bombardment by TV commercials that make you so angry?
ted
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chris Saganich" <chs2018 at med.cornell.edu>
To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org>
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 10:17 AM
Subject: Re: [Leica] Stock Photography


> And if anyone wishes to save photography from oblivion there needs to
> be a serious critical perception shift away from the devaluation of
> imagery which is promoted through editorial and advertising.  This
> can start by critically thinking about the role of imagery in
> non-ethical advertising practices.  I consider all advertising
> non-ethical but that is just my somewhat radical (but justified)
> view.  Yes. I'm likely to deface a billboard rather then chain myself
> to an old oak tree...so laugh if you like I find advertising an
> initial condition for much of the modern ill's we face, from economy
> to obesity, because it creates and manipulates all our cues.  Cues,
> or another way to look at it is our salient attention, what we pay
> attention to.  Images are used predominantly to create and reinforce
> our cues.  As Tina's images cue people to care or give money on the
> positive side, similar images could be used to cue people to despise
> and vilify the same people.  When I walk around I see images that are
> predominantly used in ways to cue people into unhealthy socially and
> civilly degrading behavior and thinking.  I don't see a cell phone
> advertisement, I see the promotion of a product that will very likely
> have profound health effects on its heaviest users 20 years from
> now.  When I see a child enjoying a Happy Meal I don't see a happy
> kid, I see 100 million 25 year olds with a health profile that makes
> most doctors shudder and the collapse of our health care
> system.  Call it a crusade I suppose but I HATE ADVERTISING and
> images are it's core component.   So it turns my stomach to see
> photography and images used like that to cue people into all these
> unhealthy, negative behaviors just for the profit.  Profit over
> people is mostly how I see images being used.  It's just a
> living?...a living breathing, breeding, disaster in my opinion.
>
>
> At 06:11 PM 10/21/2009, you wrote:
>>From: "Chris Saganich" <chs2018 at med.cornell.edu>
>>To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org>
>>Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 12:50 PM
>>Subject: Re: [Leica] Stock Photography
>>
>>
>>>Advertising IS maleficence in action.  Editorial is not so much
>>>better in my book, just promoting the rational.  It's easy to
>>>rationalize "making a living" doing just about anything.  Too bad
>>>that seems to be where the argument ends, that making a living
>>>justifies ignoring the ethical comportment of the industries we work
>>>in.  I can only wish I could choose which images could be stripped
>>>naked, exploited, and discarded and which ones could not.    The very
>>>idea of purposely making an image for that destiny turns my
>>>stomach.  Like a rack of ribs to a Buddhist.
>>
>>Gee Chris I sure wish I understood what you mean ? Maybe I could be
>>of help to clear this up in your description. Maybe?
>>Dr. ted
>>
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