Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2009/10/30

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Subject: [Leica] M9 improvements
From: henningw at archiphoto.com (Henning Wulff)
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 17:42:38 -0700
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At 4:36 PM -0700 10/30/09, Frank Filippone wrote:
>Hey, if you don't speak your mind, the status quo continues.... and God
>knows, our beloved M8 cameras will be upgradeable forever......Right!
>
>Daniels has the company line to speak and repeat.  He does so well.  Yes,
>the M8/M9 are .68 VF cameras.  Does that make it a) right, b) customer
>driven, c) the only choice Leica had d) my or your choice?  I don't think
>there is history that says.. they could have, customers had no say, not my
>choice or preference.  YMMV.
>
>They did not do a higher mag VF for some reason.. what that real reason is,
>is Leica's secret..... and they ain;t telling us.
>
>What I get upset at is the incessant statement that it can not be done.  Or
>that there is no one that wants a higher mag VF.,... I do.  I liked my M3
>finder ... .91 and all that.  Sure, it was useless if you had a 35mm lens on
>( without eyes) but it was a wonderful shoot with a 50......Both eyes
>open..... remember what is was like to not  get a headache if you were
>following the action with your M3, with both eyes..... so that you could see
>the action come into your frame?
>



No. no. no. no. no. no. and no. Well, maybe for you.


A .55, so I can see the 28 frames clearly with glasses, and a .42, so 
I can see the 21 frames clearly with glasses.

I like the current M8/9 for 35's and above, but it's a bit too tight 
for the 35 and almost right for the 50. Maybe a 0.8.

But right now, if I could have one body that showed me 21mm 
framelines, visible with glasses and another body that had the 
current framelines I'd be delighted.








>Sure it can be done.  They already did it... the .85 and .58 M6TTL cameras
>are examples.  Maybe you don't like the choices, maybe like me, the M6 28
>finder is not visible with glasses in a .72 body ( not easily, at least),
>maybe they did it for time to market, stubborn Germanic marketing theories,
>or otherwise.
>
>But don't blindly say it can't be done or that they will not do it.....
>Market demand focuses efforts on the "impossible" and or stubbornly
>refused.....and the LUG is one way to getting the word to the uppers at
>Leica that there is a marketing need that needs addressing.....
>
>A higher Mag Digi-M would pump demand for the longer lenses, like the135 APO
>Telyt, make focusing easier and more accurate for the Nocti and Summilux 50
>and 75, and Summicron 75, and 90 lenses,  all valid reasons ( the  main
>reason for the .85 M6) for a higher VF mag.
>
>If market demand created a White M8, then market demand can create a higher
>mag M8., M9, or M10.
>
>Whatever happens, never lose sight of the power of the consumer to get
>products they want, onto the shelves....
>
>Speaking of which.. the M9.... No IR filter required, no smaller sensor..
>all impossible, or so we were told.....
>
>Nonsense.  Marketing nonsense.
>
>Want better low light response than an M8 or M9?  Complain, incessantly.
>
>It will come... So will my higher mag VF.....
>
>Frank Filippone
>red735i at earthlink.net
>
>
>Of course, there has also been "the final word" from Hans Peter Cohn (no
>digital M) and Steven K. Lee (upgradeable digital M) on many issues.  So if
>you don't like what you hear on some issue now, wait for the next CEO.
>
>Dante
>
>
>Frank its been hashed over a lot elsewhere and the final word is from Stefan
>Daniel.
>
>
>
>
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