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Subject: [Leica] M9 improvements
From: steve.barbour at gmail.com (Steve Barbour)
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 21:14:18 -0700
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On Oct 30, 2009, at 8:21 PM, Henning Wulff wrote:

> At 2:59 AM +0000 10/31/09, grduprey at mchsi.com wrote:
>>
>> All this Bitching about the M8/9 viewfinder....  It works just fine  
>> as is, go out and take pictures and stop crying about the stupid vf.
>>
>
>
> Come on, Gene. You KNOW the bitching is more important than any  
> actual photos could ever be. It also takes more skill to do it well.


a viable measure is urgently needed, don'tcha think Henning ?

the BI will do the trick, quantitative not qualitative, this "bitchin  
index" quickly  gives us the ratio of bitchin e-mails per photo...

(assuming the denominator is greater than zero)


Steve
>
>
>
>
> :-) OK. I'm outa here.
>
>
>>
>> Gene  -------------- Original message from Henning Wulff <henningw at 
>> archiphoto.com 
>> >: --------------
>>
>>
>>> At 4:36 PM -0700 10/30/09, Frank Filippone wrote:
>>> >Hey, if you don't speak your mind, the status quo continues....  
>>> and God
>>> >knows, our beloved M8 cameras will be upgradeable  
>>> forever......Right!
>>> >
>>> >Daniels has the company line to speak and repeat.  He does so  
>>> well.  Yes,
>>> >the M8/M9 are .68 VF cameras.  Does that make it a) right, b)  
>>> customer
>>> >driven, c) the only choice Leica had d) my or your choice?  I  
>>> don't think
>>> >there is history that says.. they could have, customers had no  
>>> say, not my
>>> >choice or preference.  YMMV.
>>> >
>>> >They did not do a higher mag VF for some reason.. what that real  
>>> reason is,
>>> >is Leica's secret..... and they ain;t telling us.
>>> >
>>> >What I get upset at is the incessant statement that it can not be  
>>> done.  Or
>>> >that there is no one that wants a higher mag VF.,... I do.  I  
>>> liked my M3
>>> >finder ... .91 and all that.  Sure, it was useless if you had a  
>>> 35mm lens on
>>> >( without eyes) but it was a wonderful shoot with a 50......Both  
>>> eyes
>>> >open..... remember what is was like to not  get a headache if you  
>>> were
>>> >following the action with your M3, with both eyes..... so that  
>>> you could see
>>> >the action come into your frame?
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> No. no. no. no. no. no. and no. Well, maybe for you.
>>>
>>>
>>> A .55, so I can see the 28 frames clearly with glasses, and a .42,  
>>> so
>>> I can see the 21 frames clearly with glasses.
>>>
>>> I like the current M8/9 for 35's and above, but it's a bit too tight
>>> for the 35 and almost right for the 50. Maybe a 0.8.
>>>
>>> But right now, if I could have one body that showed me 21mm
>>> framelines, visible with glasses and another body that had the
>>> current framelines I'd be delighted.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> >Sure it can be done.  They already did it... the .85 and .58  
>>> M6TTL cameras
>>> >are examples.  Maybe you don't like the choices, maybe like me,  
>>> the M6 28
>>> >finder is not visible with glasses in a .72 body ( not easily, at  
>>> least),
>>> >maybe they did it for time to market, stubborn Germanic marketing  
>>> theories,
>>> >or otherwise.
>>> >
>>> >But don't blindly say it can't be done or that they will not do  
>>> it.....
>>> >Market demand focuses efforts on the "impossible" and or stubbornly
>>> >refused.....and the LUG is one way to getting the word to the  
>>> uppers at
>>> >Leica that there is a marketing need that needs addressing.....
>>> >
>>> >A higher Mag Digi-M would pump demand for the longer lenses, like  
>>> the135 APO
>>> >Telyt, make focusing easier and more accurate for the Nocti and  
>>> Summilux 50
>>> >and 75, and Summicron 75, and 90 lenses,  all valid reasons  
>>> ( the  main
>>> >reason for the .85 M6) for a higher VF mag.
>>> >
>>> >If market demand created a White M8, then market demand can  
>>> create a higher
>>> >mag M8., M9, or M10.
>>> >
>>> >Whatever happens, never lose sight of the power of the consumer  
>>> to get
>>> >products they want, onto the shelves....
>>> >
>>> >Speaking of which.. the M9.... No IR filter required, no smaller  
>>> sensor..
>>> >all impossible, or so we were told.....
>>> >
>>> >Nonsense.  Marketing nonsense.
>>> >
>>> >Want better low light response than an M8 or M9?  Complain,  
>>> incessantly.
>>> >
>>> >It will come... So will my higher mag VF.....
>>> >
>>> >Frank Filippone
>>> >red735i at earthlink.net
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >Of course, there has also been "the final word" from Hans Peter  
>>> Cohn (no
>>> >digital M) and Steven K. Lee (upgradeable digital M) on many  
>>> issues.  So if
>>> >you don't like what you hear on some issue now, wait for the next  
>>> CEO.
>>> >
>>> >Dante
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >Frank its been hashed over a lot elsewhere and the final word is  
>>> from Stefan
>>> >Daniel.
>>> >
>>> >
> -- 
>
>   *            Henning J. Wulff
>  /|\      Wulff Photography & Design
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