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Subject: [Leica] PESO: Carver
From: tedgrant at shaw.ca (tedgrant at shaw.ca)
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 22:17:43 -0800
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Jim Schulman responded:
 >  Years ago I remember reading
> about some photographer who said that if your pictures aren't good enough,
> you're not close enough.  He was right, so far as my stuff's concerned. 
> <<<<<

Hi Jim,
I meant to answer this earlier as I think it was a Robert Capa quotation? 
Alas getting closer does on occaision cause you your life! ;-(
But then dedicated photojournalists never think about the dangers nor being 
too close to get the picture! :-) . :-) It's just getting the picture 
becaaue that is the motivational moment. ;-)
LIFE? Oh hell get the picture as that's what counts! ;-)

Dr. ted :-)



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Barbour" <steve.barbour at gmail.com>
To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org>
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 9:51 PM
Subject: Re: [Leica] PESO: Carver


>
> On Nov 30, 2009, at 3:06 PM, Jim Shulman wrote:
>
>> Maybe that's where I differ in approach.
>>
>> One reason that I adore using RF cameras is the ability to see life on
>> parade.  When I consider a subject such as the wood carver, I might spend
>> several minutes observing him through the viewfinder.  When I feel right, 
>> I
>> push the shutter button.
>>
>> On those occasions when I've shot multiple images of the same subject, 
>> I've
>> found that my initial instinct of the best shot was almost always right. 
>> It
>> is also almost always the first picture!  When it isn't the first 
>> picture,
>> it's usually one when I've moved in closer.
>
> and even closer...?
>
> I hope sometimes Jim you get down lower too...
>
> I think that would have been worth another shot...
>
> (I am finding that 75% of my photos are taken from below the subject, and 
> I don't crawl around on my knees)
>
>
> Steve
>
>
>
>>  Years ago I remember reading
>> about some photographer who said that if your pictures aren't good 
>> enough,
>> you're not close enough.  He was right, so far as my stuff's concerned.
>>
>> I usually only like wider angle lenses when I'm shooting a "ballet" of
>> activity--with many things happening within a frame.  Sometimes a 50 
>> doesn't
>> allow enough flexibility.  However, this year I've fallen in love again 
>> with
>> the basics: my M3, Summilux 50 (gad, what a lens!), and b/w film.
>>
>> On most days I wind up with about ten really nice shots per 36-exposure 
>> roll
>> (or at least shots that I'd like to share with others).  In fact, I have 
>> a
>> backlog of about 300 images from the past year (which is why my PESOs are
>> more like PADs!)  A single event will yield quite a few decent shots.
>>
>> The other day I photographed a friend's three year old son, during the
>> intermission of a Thanksgiving dinner production (we were both a little
>> bored).  I only shot seven images; two were screwed-up exposures, one was 
>> of
>> a wall (misfire), but all the others were keepers (at least acc'd to the
>> parents.)
>>
>> In the case of the wood carver I was far more interested in the complete
>> scene--the hat, the tent, the carving, the boots and the way the light 
>> was
>> slanting into the enclosure. When I had the shot I wanted, I was 
>> satisfied.
>>
>> About the only portrait session this year that didn't work involved an 
>> old
>> friend and his wife.  The pictures all showed him smiling--but missing 
>> about
>> eight teeth on his upper jaw!  After the implants go in next year we 
>> should
>> be fine <g>.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: lug-bounces+jshul=comcast.net at leica-users.org
>> [mailto:lug-bounces+jshul=comcast.net at leica-users.org] On Behalf Of
>> tedgrant at shaw.ca
>> Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 5:49 PM
>> To: Leica Users Group
>> Subject: Re: [Leica] PESO: Carver
>>
>> Jim Shulman offered
>> Subject: Re: [Leica] PESO: Carver
>>
>>
>>> Easy for you digital guys to say <g>.
>>> For a film devotee, it was one shot and done.  Sometimes two if I screw 
>>> up
>>> focus or exposure.<<<<<,
>>
>> Oh no no don't say that as I shrivel and die! Particularly when you have
>> such an incredible subject sitting there not going anywhere!!! That's 
>> part
>> of the reason he makes for a great subject... "HE IS NOT GOING ANYWHERE!" 
>> We
>>
>> are going to have a discussion behind the wood shed on this one young 
>> man!
>> :-( :-)
>>
>> Film or digital, Jim I'd have sat there for an hour, if not more, 
>> clicking
>> at every little motivating moment of the scene. However I must say with 
>> film
>>
>> all the dang darkroom work would've been a big pain in the butt along 
>> with
>> cutting the film, sleeving, contact printing, editing for selection. Back
>> into darkroom for print making.
>>
>> Right there is reason alone to go digital! :-)
>>
>> When I lived the life of a film photographer I never let the amount of 
>> film
>> deter me from shooting everything that I felt in my heart or soul!  Yeah 
>> it
>> got dangerously low in rolls at times, but I always kept a couple of 
>> extra
>> rolls in other pockets as a kind of insurance.
>>
>> Of course now I've gone digital it's a living piece of cake with a couple 
>> of
>>
>> cards, a spare battery and one can blow their brains out snapping away! 
>> :-)
>>
>> So back to this incredible carving subject? Man you can't just shoot one 
>> or
>> two frames when you have such great picture potential before you. 
>> Obviously
>> from your answer it would be... "Yes you can shoot just one" :-( :-(
>>
>> So let's say the next time you run into something like this you will make 
>> a
>> major effort to shoot more than one, maybe two or go whole hog and shoot 
>> it
>> to the last possible interesting story telling photograph you can 
>> possibly
>> squeeze out of it! Like man, everyday you find some of the most 
>> interesting
>> characters for your photos it's quite amazing. And yes many wouldn't give
>> you two seconds of extra time for more pictures.
>>
>> But a situation like this complete with such a visual character to go 
>> with
>> it. Hell if you run out of film I've got some film lying around in the
>> cupboards here I'll mail to you. But you have to shoot more! OK so we 
>> have a
>>
>> deal? Right?:-)
>>
>> cheers,
>> Dr. ted :-)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: lug-bounces+jshul=comcast.net at leica-users.org
>>> [mailto:lug-bounces+jshul=comcast.net at leica-users.org] On Behalf Of
>>> tedgrant at shaw.ca
>>> Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 5:13 PM
>>> To: Leica Users Group
>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] PESO: Carver
>>>
>>> Jim Shulman showed:
>>> Subject: [Leica] PESO: Carver
>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/focusit/carver+sm.jpg.html
>>>
>>> Hi Jim,
>>> What a great subject character to photograph! I'm sure you must have
>>> pumped
>>> a few dozen images of him covering all the aspects of doing his carving,
>>> hat, face, his hands at his age must be incredible to shoot after all 
>>> the
>>> years of carving.
>>>
>>> And the face for expressions? Must be dozens of images. Like you could
>>> just
>>> sit back with maybe 90 or an f4 80-200 zoom and blow yer brains out as 
>>> his
>>> expressions changed. :-) And as the light changed on the scene. Endless
>>> photo options!
>>>
>>> Please tell me you did work him for every picture possibility possible?
>>> You
>>> did , didn't you? I knew you would! Good on you!
>>> cheers,
>>> Dr. ted :-)
>>>
>>>
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