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Subject: [Leica] M9 Internal IR-Cut filter make the camera fragile to use?
From: meino at innerside.demon.nl (Meino de Graaf)
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 22:53:00 +0100
References: <C75548B9.5AC16%mark@rabinergroup.com>

Mark

I know that in the professional world Adobe Photoshop is the norm. I 
have used it in the past and many of my friends are using it. Further I 
know that the way of processing and tagging large amounts of pictures is 
absolute the forte of Lightroom or Aperture.
However I'm just a simple amateur that wants to make prints (12x18 or 
larger) from his pictures. Because having a large print, nicely matted, 
makes me tick.

So considering my personal interests, Photoshop has;
        a) a price tag of around 1000 euros.
        b) about 90% of its functionality has no purpose for me.
That was for me the main reason to start using PictureWindow Pro, after 
reading a review on the luminous Landscape site. Until now PW pro has 
served me well as replacement for the wet darkroom (for color work).

About what you write about the lens corrections, I have tried all those 
settings you mention, but the type of anomalies I'm seeing is not 
removed. However a bigger reason for me to have a look at Capture One, 
had to do with moire. In pure landscapes this is not a big issue, but in 
  cities or industrial environments moire pops up in the most 
inconvenient places, think of small old houses with windows and lace 
curtains, or industrial buildings with Aluminum cladding and meshworks

probably I'm in the minority, that I'm not interested in creating large 
albums of pictures that are easy accessible. But for me the print (12x18 
or larger) has always been the goal. I have learned to accept in the 
past the limitations of Film, in my case Kodachrome64 and Ektachrome64. 
But that is discontinued, so the announcement of the M9 came for me at 
the correct moment. I can try to accept the limitations of Lightroom in 
combination with the M9, but for my personal purpose, I find the output 
of Capture One better.

regards
Meino de Graaf

Mark Rabiner wrote:

>>>
> Meino I wonder if a short  transitory stint with Adobe gives you a real 
> idea
> of its capabilities other than its presets.  The Adobe Raw filter. Having
> come from as you state a simpler much cheaper program actually what  we are
> talking about  is Lightroom is 300 bucks and Photoshop 700 bucks and you're
> coming from a 79 dollar program PictureWindowPro .
> I don't call that an upgrade; I think now you're at day one.
> 
> As far as "colorful anomalies around small details" go in the Adobe raw
> filter there is under lens corrections: Chromatic Aberrations: Fix Red/Cyan
> Fringe and Fix Blue/Yellow Fringe;
> And under that Defringe:
> Which has in its default is set to OFF
> But could be set to Highlight Edges or
> All Edges.
> Perhaps in CaptureOne 5 those are not set to 0 in the default as it is in
> the Adobe?  But Adobe  requires much more than five minus with the program
> to understand what these things do as well as a host of others.
> CaptureOne 5 is used by a tiny subset of the working photographic community
> the tethered people doing medium format.
> 99.99 percent of the good stuff being done by the best people are using
> Adobe. But you all of a sudden know better.
> I assure you tracing problems in digital knowing what's going on if its the
> camera or the lens or the firmware or the software or your monitor is a
> crapshoot for anybody but the experts and it may be even for them. Its all
> new. Your only chance is to get very familiar with your materials. And have
> those materials be viable. You got to put the time in.
> 
> 
> 
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> 
> 
> Mark William Rabiner
> 
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