Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2009/12/22

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Subject: [Leica] Water resistant Leica
From: steve.barbour at gmail.com (Steve Barbour)
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 14:01:24 -0800
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On Dec 22, 2009, at 11:54 AM, George Lottermoser wrote:

> On Dec 21, 2009, at 7:50 PM, Lawrence Zeitlin wrote:
> 
>> The were returned $500 later with the stern admonition
>> "Stop pissing on your cameras."
> 
> This would probably indicate that the M system is not the best for the 
> sailing work.
> 
>> We have discussed this before with the digital Leicas. To my mind there is
>> simply no excuse for taking the simple precaution of sealing a very
>> expensive camera against environmental hazards.
>> It is simple common sense for a
>> camera intended to be used in the field to be protected against
>> environmental hazards.
> 
> In theory I agree with you. I'd love for my M's to be all sealed up.
> Yet, I really have no idea what this would mean in reality;
> how it would effect price, other design considerations, operability, etc.
> 
>> Or perhaps Leica engineers imagine the cameras will
>> only be used in air conditioned studios.
> 
> What's really interesting is that the one product they actually designed 
> from the ground up
> to be used in the air conditioned studio - the S2 - is apparently quite 
> water resistant.

a valid concern George,  perfume resistant...

Steve


> 
>> imagine the perils of using  a similar camera in Indonesia, Somalia, Iran 
>> or Columbia.
> 
> What's weird about this is that Tina has certainly put her M8's through 
> some severe testing.
> Is she just lucky? or are individual samples more susceptible than others? 
> who knows?
> Now that my M8 is out of warranty - it certainly causes me some concern.
> 
>> Let's see now - magenta cast,
>> banding, cracked IR filters, bad battery
>> chargers, corner fall off, high ISO noise, no environmental sealing - 
>> have I
>> forgotten anything? I love my film M3s (except in a marine environment) 
>> but
>> 
> 
> My digital M8 works like a charm (so far);
> as does my battery charger;
> corner problems can be expected according to the laws of physics
> and are easily handled;
> high ISO noise and CCD sensors also answer to scientific realities
> as do CCD sensors and the recording of fine detail (IMHO -
> sometimes we have to make choices - either / or).
> 
>> I think the digital Ms need a lot of work.
> 
> Certainly room for improvement.
> Yet, the digital M cameras and system lenses do produce extremely fine 
> results
> for many photographers; and under a wide range of conditions.
> 
> The digital M's will not do everything for everyone.
> 
> Regards,
> George Lottermoser
> george at imagist.com
> http://www.imagist.com
> http://www.imagist.com/blog
> http://www.linkedin.com/in/imagist
> 
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