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Subject: [Leica] IMG: Brian at the LUG Central
From: richard at imagecraft.com (Richard Man)
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 03:41:08 -0800
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Well, I doubt Leica will put any shaking and rolling technology in M9.2 or
M10, it's not in their DNA, and I can live with that. I rather not, but we
Solm worshipers will take whatever the Solm mothership will dole out :-)

OTOH, the technology works quite well, even on a full frame camera like the
A900/A850. Canikon do not need to provide such technology because they
already own most of the market and they can sell more expensive VR lens that
way.

I just printed this on 11x17, this is with the "dirty" sensor:
http://www.dragonsgate.net/pub/richard/PICS/L9993759.jpg

First the resolution of the "9" is scary, but you know that. Second, even
with a dirty sensor, on this particular print, you will be hard pressed to
find them, unless you are looking at it closely.

On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 3:00 AM, Geoff Hopkinson <hopsternew at 
gmail.com>wrote:

> I have no experience with shaking, vibrating sensors. Actually I was only
> thinking about M sensors being my frame of reference ;-)
> I certainly don't want any such technology in my next M though.
>
> However, anyone who is curious, take the challenge now. Shoot a frame at
> f/16 of a plain white surface, OoF ideally. Look at it at 100% on your
> computer monitor.
> Report back in with hand on heart!
> ps I just cleaned my M9 sensor and used 3 of my remaining visible dust
> swabs
> since I found  visible streaks that are perhaps oil or similar. Checked the
> sticker on the box. $67.00 for a pack of 12. Hmm.
> Last major trip I had I had cleaned the sensor one evening in Frankfurt
> actually but next evening I uploaded my cards to my laptop and found a tiny
> hair or similar had just settled onto the surface afterwards. Spotting that
> out of about 250 frames that day was no fun at all. Dust happens! Your
> sensory experience not guaranteed to match mine.
>
> Cheers
> Geoff
> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman
>
>
> On 25 February 2010 18:55, Richard Man <richard at imagecraft.com> wrote:
>
> > Some people don't change lens much. Brian says so as much,
> >
> > Me, especially for landscape, I use ~3 lens and swap swap swap. People
> > shooting is different.
> >
> > Any case, that self-cleaning shake really spoils me.
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 12:40 AM, Geoff Hopkinson <hopsternew at 
> > gmail.com
> > >wrote:
> >
> > > Anyone cleaning their sensor twice a year isn't using their camera much
> > or
> > > rather isn't looking carefully at the results!  Or maybe only shoots
> wide
> > > open, I can understand that ;-).  I don't skimp on the quality of my
> > > cleaning products however.
> > >  Cheers
> > > Geoff
> > > http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman
> > >
> > >
> > > On 25 February 2010 18:28, Richard Man <richard at imagecraft.com> 
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Careful or someone will say, "You spend $7000 on a camera and skim on
> a
> > > $5
> > > > swab that you use twice a year..." :-)
> > > > t
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 12:17 AM, Geoff Hopkinson <
> > hopsternew at gmail.com
> > > > >wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I have the same excellent system, however locally the swabs have
> > become
> > > > > very
> > > > > expensive (more than $5.00 a swab). I still use the sensor brush
> but
> > > now
> > > > > use
> > > > > the Dust-wand kit. They give you three sizes of wands which is
> > > > convenient.
> > > > > you have to do your own swab wrapping. They have a tacky pad device
> > in
> > > > > their
> > > > > range also. This is similar in principle to what the Leica factory
> > > uses.
> > > > > Cleaning your own sensor is really a trivial exercise providing
> only
> > > that
> > > > > you apply some basic common sense and follow the instructions.
> > > > >
> > > > > Cheers
> > > > > Geoff
> > > > > http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On 25 February 2010 17:54, Richard Man <richard at imagecraft.com>
> > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > If you look at L-camera forum, they swear by... nothing and
> > > everything
> > > > > :-)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Brian loaned me set of Visible Dust's solutions. First I used the
> > > > Sensor
> > > > > > Brush to brush off the dry stuff (you put it on its electrical
> > > spinning
> > > > > > thing to spin off any dirt before hand), then I use the sensor
> > > cleaning
> > > > > > swab
> > > > > > and its liquid to wet clean. Brian says he cleans his M8 about
> > twice
> > > a
> > > > > > year.
> > > > > > I have been spoiled by the E-3 with its auto-clean technology.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 10:49 PM, Frank Filippone <
> > > > red735i at earthlink.net
> > > > > > >wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > I have a dirty sensor as well, and it is so bad, I was going to
> > > send
> > > > it
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > Leica for a really thorough cleaning....
> > > > > > > But your email made me think...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I have a lot of spots.... that to date, have not moved with a
> > soft
> > > > > > > brush...nor with air...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > What cleaning stuff did you use?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Frank Filippone
> > > > > > > red735i at earthlink.net
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I dropped by Brian's place to pick up the sensor cleaning kit
> (do
> > > you
> > > > > > know
> > > > > > > how heart-dropping it is to see spots on the sensor of your new
> > > > camera
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
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