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Subject: [Leica] Zeiss Wide Angle 35mm f/2 Biogon T* ZM
From: dstella1 at ameritech.net (Dante Stella)
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 14:31:00 -0500
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Tina:

Can you tell us precisely which Canon cameras and lenses (and what vintage) 
you have used that were so terrible that they could not create good 
pictures?  L glass?  Non L glass?  Zoom?  Prime?  IS?  I'm curious - since 
you keep making these statements about Canons, it would be interesting to 
hear what specifically prompted them.  I don't use Canons, so I won't be 
offended.  

I gather that you are talking about post-processing sharpness, since you're 
talking about Canon lenses, not bodies.  My counter-observation, coming from 
the Nikon world, is that you are probably attributing the effect of lacking 
AA filter to "Leica."  

I use an M8 alongside a Kodak 14n alongside a Nikon D700.  The 14n, which 
has no AA filter, performs not unlike the M8 when you put a good Nikkor lens 
on it (i.e., a modern AF-s f/2.8 ED lens, pretty much any of the post D1x 
zooms).  Sharpness is phenomenal on the Kodak, no post-processing.  The 
D700, for its part, has a fairly weak AA filter - that is not very far 
behind the M8 on a pixel-for-pixel basis (provided you take a few minutes to 
do the AF fine tune offsets for each lens you use).  That last part, which 
may not exist in the Canon world, does a lot to close the gap between SLR 
focusing accuracy and RF focusing accuracy.

Regards,
Dante

On Feb 27, 2010, at 10:12 AM, Tina Manley wrote:

> I have been using Leica cameras and lenses for over 30 years.  Along the
> way, I've also used quite a few Japanese cameras and lenses.  For my
> purposes, there is no comparison.  Leica lenses are so much better than
> Japanese ones in every way.  When I switched to digital, I used Canon
> cameras and lenses for awhile.   I hate to even look at those photos today.
> The Leica M9 with Leica lenses produces photos with more resolution,
> greater dynamic range, no chromatic aberrations, no fringing, never any 
> need
> to sharpen.  My post processing on photos made with Leica is minimal to
> none.  The Canon wide lenses are awful.
> 
> Of course, your mileage may vary depending on how you use your cameras, but
> if your opinion of Leica is so low, why are you on this list?
> 
> Tina
> 
> On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 9:42 AM, Jan Decher <wanderjan at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> The whole thing with Leica Germany being so much better than anything made
>> in Japan is really bogus. Of course Leica likes to foster and feed this
>> myth. That's how they get  people to buy M9s for $7000 which will be
>> outdated digital technology in 2 years just like any other digital camera.
>> And then this whole hoax with the compeletely unaffordable S2 and
>> abolishing
>> the entire R line that many here came to love and rely on!
>> 
>> 
> 
> -- 
> Tina Manley, ASMP
> www.tinamanley.com
> 
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