Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2010/03/06
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]I cannot imagine asking more of my 35/1.4 asph. What can the new lens do that the old one couldn't? Is the bokeh smoother, or is it even capable of MORE resolution than my film can currently record? It will be interesting to see what it is capable of producing, but I'm sure satisfied with one one I already have. Jeffery On Mar 6, 2010, at 8:12 PM, Steve Barbour wrote: > > On Mar 6, 2010, at 4:22 PM, Philip Forrest wrote: > >> Now isn't this coming on the tail end of the $3000 lens is leaps and >> bounds better than the $1800 lens thread? But now they are being >> compared to a $300 Nikkor? >> >> As for size, you have several choices with respect to lens design. Even >> with aspherics which don't allow for more compactness but for more >> correction. >> >> Super fast lens >> Super small lens >> Super sharp lens >> >> You can only have two of these things and the one missing will suffer. >> If Leica were to shrink the size of their Summilux line, then the >> lenses would suffer from less correction. Leica is making lenses for >> digital cameras now which work so much better with retrofocus designs >> than older ones in which large rear elements sit millimeters from the >> plane of focus. All that glass enables Leica to do things with light >> that they have never before. Of course, they could make the design more >> conservative but then they would call that a Summarit. Oh yeah, already >> done. >> If Leica relaxes the designs more the lenses will stick out >> farther like the ZM line does. They can't just decide that a new 35mm >> ASPH 'lux is going to be the same size as a Pre-ASPH 'cron and make it >> happen. If they did, then they'd be holding back some aspect of imaging >> quality and the M8/9 can find lens faults like no other system out >> there. They are pretty unforgiving cameras, so Leica is just trying to >> reconcile their new path in digital photography and trying to optimize >> a lens which can hack it on the M9. >> >> Phil Forrest > > > laws of physics/optics apply as always Phil, so what's your point? > > > Steve > > >> >> >> >> On Sat, 06 Mar 2010 17:30:21 -0500 >> Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote: >> >>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBcZ1jaWXRw >>>> >>>> Look at the lens at 0:59. This is the likely to be the new milux-M >>>> 35/1.4 ASPH. Note that the hood design is different from the >>>> current version, and the lens itself is also larger. >>>> >>>> Joseph >>> >>> >>> It's my understanding that unlike the current (late 90's) Summicron >>> ASPH 35 the Summilux ASPH 35 blocked the rangefinder for the past ten >>> or twelve years. I had the Summicron so it didn't bother me. But that >>> was not my excuse for getting it instead of the Summicron I think it >>> was not the principle of the thing - it was the money. >>> What I expected to see at this juncture was a new design which didn't >>> block the viewfinder. Why not? design has come a long way. >>> Instead I see one more of the new bloated Leica super lenses. Such >>> as the Summilux 21 and 24 and Noctilux .95. I call that real bad news >>> especially in this case. As the 35 has always been a lens which is >>> small and light and relatively affordable. >>> Perhaps there will be a new generation of multi millionaire >>> photojournalists who will be using this gear. As is now its a bit >>> much for a successful dentist to bite off. >>> A 35mm lens when I got my M6 in April of 1993 was the what we now >>> call pre aspheric Summicron or Summilux. Both were the same size. >>> Both were far lighter and smaller than the aspherics which came out >>> as the current models in the late 90's. You put a 35mm lens on the >>> camera and forget it. Maybe even didn't use a lens shade. No use for >>> a collapsible this glass were near pancakes. A two pancake short >>> stack. It a very low key way of working. My Summicron ASPH when I got >>> it felt was so heavy that I found it a bit of a bummer. >>> What smoothed it over was my sure ability to get stupendous results >>> wide open. It was a super lens as far as I could imagine. And all my >>> pals were using Nikons and canons so for my lens I could have got a >>> half dozen of theirs. But it was worth it. >>> To me I call a 35mm lens on a 24x36 format camera I'm used to the >>> "bring back the shot" lens. Instead of being hard ass with a 50 or >>> artsy with a 24 the 35mm lens is just going to be able to get a >>> picture. Other focal lengths can be just too much. So SURE I used it >>> wide open a good deal of the time the lens was always on my camera. >>> And the camera was always on me. And I'm a night person. >>> I was not going to drag the 24 around all day it was twice the size >>> and weight and really got in the way. >>> But now the 35mm is catching up. I call that a bummer. >>> I think that with the use of aspherics a Leica m rangefinder lens >>> can be made compact so it dos not block the viewfinder. Instead a >>> line of super lenes. The Noctilux should have been reduced to the >>> size of the first 1.2. Instead of becoming even more bloated in every >>> way. I think if they were smart they would re introduce a modern >>> Noctilux 1.2. A Summilux on one or two steroids instead of the lens >>> which ate NY. >>> >>> Its time for Leica to think about some new years de bloating. >>> Happy new year half the cultures out there think the new year is in >>> March. And you can to. I know I do. >>> >>> Lets see Leica come out with a lens which is smaller not bigger. >>> A lens the size of a pre Summacron or Summilux 35mm. >>> Both were identical in size in weight other than the writing on the >>> front of the barrel. Or if you measured the f stop. >>> >>> My 35mm Summicron ASPH in February of the year 2000 cost me $1495. >>> A nikon lens at the time cost what 300 dollars? It cost $319.95 now >>> so maybe it was 200 usd. So you could get five to eight of them. >>> Now a new Summicron ASPH cost 3 grand; the price has doubled. >>> But is one of the cheapest lenes Leica has now and I thought there >>> was a Leica rumor they were phasing it out. Or I dreamt it last >>> night. Same thing. It is now. >>> 300 by the way goes into 3000 ten times. >>> The decimal system. >>> >>> The new generation of cutting edge Leica shooters will be doing what >>> they always did. Using very old used Leica gear. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> [Rabs] >>> Mark William Rabiner >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information