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Subject: [Leica] IMG: Casual portrait of LUG photographer
From: jsmith342 at gmail.com (Jeffery Smith)
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 11:28:20 -0500
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Regarding faces, I suppose the one thing missing in B&W that is unfortunate 
is eye color when the person has eyes like Paul Newman. Light eyes are not 
light blue eyes. And pleasantly rosy cheeks can look like a 5:00 shadow if 
accentuated in B&W using, say, a blue filter. My eyes instinctively go to 
eyes and mouth when I'm looking at many faces, and then other features like 
skin. In Lluis' recent picture of the old fellow bumming a cigarette, I saw 
enough of both men's features in B&W and nothing seemed to be wanting due to 
lack of color. Perhaps the photography of women's faces is where color is a 
bigger concern. 

I've tried a lot of color -> black & white manipulation in PS using plugins. 
They work wonderfully in non-human pics, but either blanche someone to a 
pallor or gruff them up to the point that they look like Jack Palance. 

BIg pupils are a plus. I would probably blacken in people's pupils to make 
them more giant, but after that guy removed a tennis shoe and got panned for 
it, I'm not so sure.

Jeffery 

On Mar 17, 2010, at 9:50 AM, Steve Barbour wrote:

> 
> On Mar 17, 2010, at 7:43 AM, Jeffery Smith wrote:
> 
>> When you shoot in B&W, you're taking a picture of the person. Shoot in 
>> color and you're taking a picture of .... other distracting stuff.
> 
> 
> my first impulse was to agree entirely Jeff,
> 
> my second thought... you can accidentally or intentionally  accomplish the 
> same thing in bw...
> (ie exaggerating things that you may or may not wish to)
> 
> so my next question is...
> 
> Is there not some other solution besides switching to bw?
> 
> 
> Steve
> 
> 
> 
>> 
>> Jeffery
>> 
>> 
>> On Mar 17, 2010, at 9:37 AM, Steve Barbour wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> On Mar 17, 2010, at 2:10 AM, Mark Rabiner wrote:
>>> 
>>>>> Not a very polite remark about Howard, Rabs.
>>>>> Actually I didn't think that the rendering was unflattering but I'll 
>>>>> take
>>>>> another look.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Cheers
>>>>> Geoff
>>>>> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> It wasn't about Howard, Geoff. It was about your "print".
>>>> You need to take things off auto and look at them.
>>>> Your reds are way high on this one.
>>> 
>>> sadly, I must sign on with Rabs here Geoff...poor Howard looks like he 
>>> has a skin disease, (I know he doesn't)
>>> as Ted would say...
>>> "look at the picture" ... too much technique, and you can easily lose 
>>> the forest for the trees...
>>> 
>>> Is there really a prednisone filter for photoshop?  :-)
>>> 
>>> offered earnestly,  
>>> with sincere compassion,  
>>> to help...
>>> Steve
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> [Rabs]
>>>> Mark William Rabiner
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
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