Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2010/04/06

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Subject: [Leica] WikiLeaks
From: photo.forrest at earthlink.net (Philip Forrest)
Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2010 09:27:01 -0400
References: <B1BDEE6C-2CCA-455E-994D-9443729166AC@gmail.com> <t2z36172e5a1004051941zdefd2d54w7bb68cd4347904af@mail.gmail.com> <o2heb6799211004052044he9961a3ay5c9777e335507dc3@mail.gmail.com> <l2o36172e5a1004052230lf84ede67rdd3c47e186bf3514@mail.gmail.com>

The technical, in-situ classification is done in one week as the
tactical situation has changed. The system in question has been in the
US inventory for over 20 years and the capabilities of it are no longer
within the confines of the US government knowledge.
Since this video is over two years old there exists no security threat
to US or coalition forces.
Do not forget that the video was released. The US DoD is not talking
about classification or security situation on the ground, they are
investigating the voracity of the claim that two journalists, about a
dozen civilian adults and two children were shot at with overwhelming
force by two Apache attack helicopters. The cannon used is also used
against armored vehicles.

As a former troop on that very ground, I think that more of these
records of injustice ought to be seen by the world, not less. The
coalition has been responsible for over 100,000 deaths in this campaign
and some estimates approach 1/4 million.
It's not acceptable.

Phil Forrest



On Tue, 6 Apr 2010 15:30:03 +1000
Geoff Hopkinson <hopsternew at gmail.com> wrote:

> Richard because firstly it is a link to footage that your government
> has not authorised for release, because such footage can have
> security implications (including for example inclusion of weapon
> system parameters if it is not sanitised from the footage (and hence
> can aid your enemies), because the language used in the site conveys
> opinion which does have political finger pointing involved, because
> casual viewers don't know what has actually happened nor the
> circumstances, and the propaganda implications can harm your
> government etc. The military on the ground will likely have differnt
> opinions to casual observers at home. Unless you are suggesting that
> your military has deliberately set out to target Press members
> apparently involved then it has nothing to do with free press or
> photographers marching in the streets for their rights or whatever.
> 
> However, I was expressing my personal opinion. I am not in charge of
> the LUG.  Feel free to disagree with me off list if you wish.
> 
> Cheers
> Geoff
> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman
> 
> 
> On 6 April 2010 13:44, Richard Man <richard at imagecraft.com> wrote:
> 
> > I disagree, if the "discussion" degenerates into political finger
> > pointing and whatnots, that's different.
> >
> > What happened to all the "lets march on the street" to support our
> > rights to
> > bear cameras people? Innocent people were killed because they are
> > in the wrong place and they carried cameras.
> >
> > Sad.
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 7:41 PM, Geoff Hopkinson
> > <hopsternew at gmail.com
> > >wrote:
> >
> > > In my opinion this is inappropriate for the LUG.
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > > Geoff
> > > http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman
> > >
> > >
> >
> 
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Replies: Reply from imagist3 at mac.com (George Lottermoser) ([Leica] WikiLeaks)
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Message from hopsternew at gmail.com (Geoff Hopkinson) ([Leica] WikiLeaks)
Message from richard at imagecraft.com (Richard Man) ([Leica] WikiLeaks)
Message from hopsternew at gmail.com (Geoff Hopkinson) ([Leica] WikiLeaks)