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Subject: [Leica] Sony cleans up; takes no prisoners.
From: imagist3 at mac.com (George Lottermoser)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 08:06:30 -0500
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The important thing seems to be
"how big a sensor can I fit in my pocket?"

;~)

Regards,
George Lottermoser
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On May 27, 2010, at 2:04 AM, Geoff Hopkinson wrote:

> Can you imagine holding a Leica M at arm's length to use it? Quite  
> apart
> from possibly aging eyes in their demographic (guilty), danged if  
> it makes
> any sense to me.
>
> It is interesting to me that Oly and Panasonic seems to be doing so  
> well
> with their mFT cameras but appear to have reached an unpredicted  
> market,
> being enthusiasts rather than people wanting to ugrade from  
> compacts. A lot
> of enthusiam for putting adapters on and using older good quality  
> lenses
> (and why not) rather than the mFT ones. Then lots of those folks  
> right away
> want a clip on EVF or optical finder which is still not comparable  
> to a good
> optical finder. Here at least for example the neat little Olympus E- 
> P2 with
> kit zoom and EVF sells for AUD 1,800 yet you can get the E620  
> equivalent
> with kit zoom for AUD 649. Pretty clearly people really value the  
> ability to
> put those adapters on and the smaller form factor but I'm  
> unconvinced that
> the average would be compact upgrader is not baulking at the current
> pricing. Panasonic are worse (here at least). Maybe they've taken some
> advice from Leica because you can't find those GF-1s in stock anywhere
> despite the not inconsiderable price tags. It's all Howard Cummer's  
> fault
> that my wife wants one now.
>
> But now Sony has positioned themselves to appeal to that same set  
> of compact
> P&S upgraders that aren't buying the Oly's and Panas! The cameras  
> look like
> extremely clever engineering to me but the user interface is  
> horrible to my
> taste. If other enthusiasts agree they aren't going to be lining up  
> to get
> the NEX new thing. But Sony is worth millions so what would I  
> know?????
>
> Well as soon as someone uses some reality altering sorcery powered  
> by wishes
> and produces a smaller M9 that costs a third as much I suppose that  
> everyone
> will lose interest.
> Of course you CAN now get an M8 for that sort of money and the crop  
> factor
> is better than all of these new designs. Takes M lenses with no  
> adapters and
> everything. There are some  thousands of them out there. ;-) ;-)
>
> Cheers
> Geoff
> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman
>
>
> On 27 May 2010 16:24, Frank Dernie <Frank.Dernie at btinternet.com>  
> wrote:
>
>> For me it is useless since it has no viewfinder, tried that for a  
>> week or
>> two - hated it. Any camera with no viewfinder limits its use to  
>> people
>> moving up from a mobile phone or P&S.
>> They may not be disappointed.
>> IMO
>> Frank
>>
>> On 26 May, 2010, at 21:54, Mark Rabiner wrote:
>>
>>> http://a.img-dpreview.com/news/1005/sonysensor/sensor_compare.jpg
>>> Double layer in effect couplets instead of in effect single lens  
>>> eyewear
>> in
>>> front of each pixel site makes for Sony being able to make the  
>>> smallest
>>> pixel sights yet and still do well with image quality. The way it
>> looks....
>>> Meanwhile it doest waste its time in sub miniature digital  
>>> formats but
>> comes
>>> out with its tiny NEX cameras with 1.5 crop like the Leica X1  
>>> instead of
>> the
>>> dumb 2x crop cameras which capture the hearts and minds of the  
>>> bulk of
>>  the
>>> LUG.
>>> It's very cool and cute  and flat 16mm pancake 2.8 becomes a very  
>>> capable
>>> 24mm lens for these NEX cameras. My advanced math skills tells me  
>>> that
>> lens
>>> would be a 32mm if  they were talking about the crazy useless 2x  
>>> crop
>>> cameras.
>>> That said they could apply this two layer technology to these  
>>> smaller
>>> formats and perhaps do ok. Next year. Nobody knows anything about  
>>> it yet.
>>> But in Pict form it looks good so far.
>>> I'm very big on Sony.
>>>
>>> The 16mm  pancake looks great but this NEX series is being mainly
>> presented
>>> with larger front heavy looking zoom glass in front and with much  
>>> talk
>> about
>>> its video capabilities to justify it. Very smart marketing and  
>>> camera
>> design
>>> as far as I go. Real stocking stuffers . I'm ready for one.
>>>
>>> http://www.dpreview.com/previews/sonynex5/
>>> Mirrorless like the Leica  Dlux series and the bulk of the  
>>> cameras being
>>> used today which are not DSLR's. Though there is cross over.
>>>
>>> We need such an option with M mount
>>>
>>> And give me two layers in front of my sensor to make it quite  
>>> able to
>> deal
>>> with non retrofocal glass designs.
>>>
>>> [Rabs]
>>> Mark William Rabiner
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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