Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2010/09/15
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]I don't use a G10 :-) E-3 for events / Taiko M9 for just about anything and everything. XPan for my "artsy visions," or when I want to use Tri-X. On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 1:22 AM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote: > Its great to now that technique means nothing. > " hand-held at 1/13th of a second." this gives us an image we can make > discerning comparative evaluations from. > > A digital print black and white on rag paper which may have been 13x19: > Harold Cummer handed me at Photokina 2006 sure looked a notch and half > better than any 1.5 or 1 crop print I'd ever seen. Sold me on medium format > digital. It jumped off the page and looked 3D. > > Richard if you're convinced now that a camera with a sensor the size of > your > pinky fingernail can match the output from full frame and or medium format > digital backs than think of all the money you're going to save! > > Nothing matters! I'm glad I know that now! > > -------------------- > Mark William Rabiner > Photography > mark at rabinergroup.com > > > > From: Richard Man <richard at imagecraft.com> > > Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> > > Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 00:39:58 -0700 > > To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> > > Subject: Re: [Leica] Format output obviousness > > > > You tell that to Michael Reichmann: > > > > "At one point I found myself looking at raw files on-screen and not being > > sure if I was looking at Hasselblad P45+ files or Canon G10 files. That > > includes at 100% onscreen enlargements." > > > > and > > > > Over a two day period I invited photographers and local industry > > professionals to come to my print studio and look at a series of 13X19" > > prints from an *Epson 3800* printer made on *Ilford Gold Fiber Silk* > paper > > which were then hung side by side on my floor-standing print viewing box. > > This collection of seven people included experienced photographers, > people > > from the commercial print industry, and other trade professionals. > Between > > them there was at least 200 years of photographic industry shooting and > > printing experience. > > > > In most cases I did not tell them what they were looking at, simply > saying > > that I had been shooting with two cameras, and that they should divide > the > > prints (about a dozen) into two piles ? Camera A and Camera B. They were > > asked to judge resolution, accutance, colour reproduction, highlight > detail, > > dMax, and any other factors that they wished to consider. > > The Results > > > > In every case no one could reliably tell the difference between 13X19" > > prints shot with the $40,000 Hasselblad and Phase One 39 Megapixel back, > and > > the new $500 Canon G10. In the end no one got more than 60% right, and > > overall the split was about 50 / 50, with no clear differentiator. In > other > > words, no better than chance. > > > > > > http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/kidding.shtml > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 12:28 AM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com > >wrote: > > > >> Every portfolio I've ever had or stack of prints; and every stack of > prints > >> other photographers have shown me I've always known which ones of my > prints > >> were 35mm, Medium format, or sheet film and I didn't have to bother > telling > >> them and they didn't have to bother telling me; as we all knew at first > >> glance. > >> I can normally easily tell the difference between a full frame digital > >> image > >> even at low output and cropped format digital output and I think many > >> people > >> can with any experience. And certainly the difference between that and > >> point > >> and shoots with sensors the size of my pinky nail. And the 2x crop in > >> between. And medium format digital blows me right out of the water at > least > >> my eyeballs. > >> If you can't tell the difference between your large and smaller format > >> digital output the time to hang it up is now. > >> Take up audio. > >> > >> -------------------- > >> Mark William Rabiner > >> Photography > >> mark at rabinergroup.com > >> . > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Leica Users Group. > >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > // richard <http://www.imagecraft.com/> > > // icc blog: <http://imagecraft.wordpress.com> > > // photo blog: <http://www.5pmlight.com> > > [ For technical support on ImageCraft products, please include all > previous > > replies in your msgs. ] > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Leica Users Group. > > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > -- // richard <http://www.imagecraft.com/> // icc blog: <http://imagecraft.wordpress.com> // photo blog: <http://www.5pmlight.com> [ For technical support on ImageCraft products, please include all previous replies in your msgs. ]