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Subject: [Leica] S2 success (or lack thereof)
From: daniel at dlridings.se (Daniel Ridings)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 13:36:44 +0100
References: <C93492DB.80DC%mark@rabinergroup.com> <4D0F29A2.7000004@gmx.de> <AANLkTikSm5zRvn-vGn=fOtxsqdZ6tAvnvAmGTVzLF4+s@mail.gmail.com> <4D0F3462.8050406@gmx.de> <3DC7CBD5-EED4-4AEC-B059-338DB0C0AE63@sfr.fr> <4D0F4A90.7030109@gmx.de>

Typos have occurred on the LUG from time to time ... Sal, may he smile
down on us, gave us all a good smile once:

http://leica-users.org/v24/msg06775.html

(Don't forget to check the subject line)

Daniel


On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 1:22 PM, Douglas Sharp <douglas.sharp at gmx.de> 
wrote:
>
> Here's an "f" for you - it may come in useful.;-)
>
> Cheers
> Douglas
>
> On 20.12.2010 12:49, philippe.amard wrote:
>>
>> Agreed Douglas,
>>
>> I said quite a while ago that Leica needed a paradigm shit if they were to
>> survive and prosper.
>> Now the move they've made doesn't suit me, what can I do ...
>>
>> But they will always find Davos dwellers, Rolex, Veyron, and cruising
>> ships owners who will want an S2.
>> All the better for them all.
>>
>> Were I one of them, I'd give it a try, and sell it if not convenient
>> Well sell? why? no need to get through the ordeal of doing so.
>> My time is more precious to me.
>> Just forget about it.
>>
>>
>> In the meantime, I hope I will anyhow enjoy viewing some beautiful results
>> some day :-)
>>
>> Frohe Weihnachten
>> Philippe
>>
>>
>> Le 20 d?c. 10 ? 11:48, Douglas Sharp a ?crit :
>>
>>> Richard,
>>>
>>> the fact is that Leica have been absolutely overwhelmed by the success of
>>> the M9 and the S2. The are working their wotsits off trying to catch up 
>>> with
>>> an order backlog like they've never seen before. ?It doesn't matter one 
>>> iota
>>> who is buying the gear - if it is making Leica a going concern, we can 
>>> all
>>> be happy. Leica is doing a lot of PR trying to make the S2 better known 
>>> to
>>> professionals (at least in Germany, so far) and has, as yet, had only
>>> positive feedback - even down to things like how long you can shoot with 
>>> one
>>> battery charge.
>>>
>>> Maybe lots of potentates and oligarchs are buying it, but so what - the
>>> more S2s there are out there, the more people become aware of it and the
>>> brand, and more will be ordered and sold.
>>>
>>> As to the M9Ti, the book that's included with it states clearly that it
>>> is Leica's "concept car" and has features that could be employed in later
>>> models.
>>>
>>> The new design is clear, simple and unostentatious - precisely what
>>> Leicas have been right from the word go - maybe purists don't like it, 
>>> but
>>> purists even shied away from the idea of a digital Leica R 
>>> (sacrilege!!)at
>>> first, ?and when they didn't get one (R10), they all started moaning.
>>>
>>> Is there a better way of paying for your R+D costs? I doubt it. A very
>>> clever move by Leica, and one that highlights their joint sponsoring 
>>> efforts
>>> with the VW Group (and Audi as a premium brand) ?e.g. 
>>> http://www.sbc2010.de/
>>> It's pretty obvious where their target groups are - and it's not us.
>>>
>>> Leica are getting their products placed in the rarified atmosphere of
>>> premium events like this and are accessing the segments where money is no
>>> object.
>>>
>>> Good for Leica! Their radical turnaround project has worked (although a
>>> gamble) and the company is on a relatively firm financial footing for 
>>> what
>>> is, after all, a very small company. They still have quite a way to go, 
>>> and
>>> I, for one, wish them well.
>>>
>>> It is perhaps interesting to note that what turned Leica around was the
>>> fact that they declined to produce what Leicaphiles were asking for and 
>>> went
>>> their own way for a change.
>>>
>>> Maybe dyed-in-the-wool Leicaphiles are what was holding them back - now
>>> they've thrown this age-old conservatism out of the window they seem to 
>>> be
>>> back and doing rather well.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Douglas
>>>
>>> On 20.12.2010 11:07, Richard Man wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Come on guys. I know no one controls where a thread goes, but do we have
>>>> to
>>>> hijack it to yet another rant against M9Ti or whatever horse$hit that
>>>> someone happens not to like?
>>>>
>>>> My conjecture is that just based on some random but imho educated
>>>> guesses,
>>>> the S2 will do all right by Leica. No one has either call BS on it or
>>>> agree
>>>> to it, but yet another tangential rant.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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