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Subject: [Leica] S2 success (or lack thereof)
From: mark at rabinergroup.com (Mark Rabiner)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 12:02:20 -0500

Amateurs rent cameras too!


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Mark William Rabiner
Photography
http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/
mark at rabinergroup.com
Cars:   http://tinyurl.com/2f7ptxb




> From: Philippe Amard <philippe.amard at sfr.fr>
> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
> Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 13:16:36 +0100
> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
> Subject: Re: [Leica] S2 success (or lack thereof)
> 
> Thanks for the tip Mark,
> 
> I'll do that as soon as I retire and get a real job as tax heavened
> pro photog ;-)
> 
> OTT I meant shiFt and not shi.t ... really sorry
> 
> Got to drive 100 miles in snow now - been snowing all morning
> 
> Amiti?s
> Philippe
> 
> 
> Le 20 d?c. 10 ? 12:56, Mark Rabiner a ?crit :
> 
>> 
>> Why not rent one for the weekend if you can think of something you
>> really
>> need to shoot with it? Medium format digital cameras are rented I
>> think more
>> than bought. Write it off somehow as an expense!?!?
>> 
>> 
>> --------------------
>> Mark William Rabiner
>> Photography
>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/
>> mark at rabinergroup.com
>> Cars:   http://tinyurl.com/2f7ptxb
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> From: Philippe Amard <philippe.amard at sfr.fr>
>>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>>> Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 12:49:47 +0100
>>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] S2 success (or lack thereof)
>>> 
>>> Agreed Douglas,
>>> 
>>> I said quite a while ago that Leica needed a paradigm shit if they
>>> were to survive and prosper.
>>> Now the move they've made doesn't suit me, what can I do ...
>>> 
>>> But they will always find Davos dwellers, Rolex, Veyron, and cruising
>>> ships owners who will want an S2.
>>> All the better for them all.
>>> 
>>> Were I one of them, I'd give it a try, and sell it if not convenient
>>> Well sell? why? no need to get through the ordeal of doing so.
>>> My time is more precious to me.
>>> Just forget about it.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> In the meantime, I hope I will anyhow enjoy viewing some beautiful
>>> results some day :-)
>>> 
>>> Frohe Weihnachten
>>> Philippe
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Le 20 d?c. 10 ? 11:48, Douglas Sharp a ?crit :
>>> 
>>>> Richard,
>>>> 
>>>> the fact is that Leica have been absolutely overwhelmed by the
>>>> success of the M9 and the S2. The are working their wotsits off
>>>> trying to catch up with an order backlog like they've never seen
>>>> before.  It doesn't matter one iota who is buying the gear - if it
>>>> is making Leica a going concern, we can all be happy. Leica is doing
>>>> a lot of PR trying to make the S2 better known to professionals (at
>>>> least in Germany, so far) and has, as yet, had only positive
>>>> feedback - even down to things like how long you can shoot with one
>>>> battery charge.
>>>> 
>>>> Maybe lots of potentates and oligarchs are buying it, but so what -
>>>> the more S2s there are out there, the more people become aware of it
>>>> and the brand, and more will be ordered and sold.
>>>> 
>>>> As to the M9Ti, the book that's included with it states clearly that
>>>> it is Leica's "concept car" and has features that could be employed
>>>> in later models.
>>>> 
>>>> The new design is clear, simple and unostentatious - precisely what
>>>> Leicas have been right from the word go - maybe purists don't like
>>>> it, but purists even shied away from the idea of a digital Leica R
>>>> (sacrilege!!)at first,  and when they didn't get one (R10), they all
>>>> started moaning.
>>>> 
>>>> Is there a better way of paying for your R+D costs? I doubt it. A
>>>> very clever move by Leica, and one that highlights their joint
>>>> sponsoring efforts with the VW Group (and Audi as a premium brand)
>>>> e.g. http://www.sbc2010.de/ It's pretty obvious where their target
>>>> groups are - and it's not us.
>>>> 
>>>> Leica are getting their products placed in the rarified atmosphere
>>>> of premium events like this and are accessing the segments where
>>>> money is no object.
>>>> 
>>>> Good for Leica! Their radical turnaround project has worked
>>>> (although a gamble) and the company is on a relatively firm
>>>> financial footing for what is, after all, a very small company. They
>>>> still have quite a way to go, and I, for one, wish them well.
>>>> 
>>>> It is perhaps interesting to note that what turned Leica around was
>>>> the fact that they declined to produce what Leicaphiles were asking
>>>> for and went their own way for a change.
>>>> 
>>>> Maybe dyed-in-the-wool Leicaphiles are what was holding them back -
>>>> now they've thrown this age-old conservatism out of the window they
>>>> seem to be back and doing rather well.
>>>> 
>>>> Cheers
>>>> Douglas
>>>> 
>>>> On 20.12.2010 11:07, Richard Man wrote:
>>>>> Come on guys. I know no one controls where a thread goes, but do we
>>>>> have to
>>>>> hijack it to yet another rant against M9Ti or whatever horse$hit
>>>>> that
>>>>> someone happens not to like?
>>>>> 
>>>>> My conjecture is that just based on some random but imho educated
>>>>> guesses,
>>>>> the S2 will do all right by Leica. No one has either call BS on it
>>>>> or agree
>>>>> to it, but yet another tangential rant.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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