Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2010/12/21

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Subject: [Leica] Erwin and the S2; comparison
From: richard at imagecraft.com (Richard Man)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 23:04:08 -0800
References: <C935A22E.817C%mark@rabinergroup.com> <1CD6B5C4-1ED7-4E1B-89FB-7FD33EC3EEA3@frozenlight.eu> <AANLkTi=ADTfr59wSr_shitKfuUROyGHnCt7c09YfJLC_@mail.gmail.com> <FE6BBD19-A5C6-47BA-9349-EEF2E5F744BC@frozenlight.eu> <AANLkTimj-6Kt6GNQ-1KdcjwLM9O39-CiEWkh9J2H2Pks@mail.gmail.com> <004501cba175$7323c240$596b46c0$@earthlink.net> <AANLkTimgc9W=sTxEOY4D5fBUbs_mgjiNnN_VWiUHriPU@mail.gmail.com> <005901cba1a3$2673de20$735b9a60$@earthlink.net> <AANLkTi=k_--SUrUNeLSiaXxRTJwSy=AwuNFPaqUTm3Du@mail.gmail.com>

We have a standing joke of "Small Matter of Programming." :-)

How difficult can it be, just some algorithms and data structures :-)

On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 10:58 PM, Geoff Hopkinson <hopsternew at 
gmail.com>wrote:

> Hmm, in military aviation sytems integrations.we had a standing joke (from
> a
> "technical expert") that 'it's just a bit of sheet metal work and a simple
> software change". It never is of course.
> The point I was making since Richard talked about other 24x36 CMOS sensors
> is that both the M9 sensor and the required firmware are unique.
> Leica Camera and Jenoptik might disagree with you that the firmware
> differences are trivial. Or offer you a job. There's some millions of euro
> in it.
> Cheers
> Geoff
> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman
>
>
> On 22 December 2010 16:40, Frank Filippone <red735i at earthlink.net> 
> wrote:
>
> > I was in the Semiconductor Industry......  Usually , the technology used
> to
> > make a product rarely effects the way the device is used (SW) from the
> > outside of the device....  Sure, there are some different "rules" or ways
> > of
> > making it work, but in general, the function and purpose and end goal
> > determines the SW, not the technology.....
> >
> > "Trivial" is pretty relative....
> >
> > The purpose of the SW is to take the data presented by the sensor output
> > and
> > format it to the memory location called the SDHC Card.  In the process,
> the
> > data may be filtered in different ways, JPEG'd ( which in itself is a
> > special filter), or maybe transformed to another color or spatial system
> or
> > a combination of any or all of these.
> >
> > Whether you use a CCD or a CMOS Image sensor, the process is the same.
> > Implementation is different, but that is both the trivial ( difference)
> > part
> > as well as the "Secret Ingredients" part.   I personally think Nikon has
> > done a superb job with their "secret ingredients" in high ISO
> performance.
> >
> > Geoff,,,,, in your response, you actually agree with what I am saying, in
> > the technical sense.  More instructions to do more pixels is "trivial",
> > It
> > is really not different, just more of the same..... Using 2 processors
> > rather than one is also a pretty "trivial" exercise and totally
> independent
> > from the technology used to make the sensor..
> >
> > " To provide a plain and neutral image, we do a lot of complex
> > compensation,
> > sensor corrections and lens vigentting corrections"... Would have been
> > needed whether they used a CCD or a CMOS sensor, just "different"
> > algorithms
> > or implementations.......to achieve the image goal.
> >
> > I do not want to make it sound like all of this is easy.... it certainly
> is
> > not.   But don't go around thinking that because it is CCD or CMOS that
> > there is massively more work to write the SW ( Actually FW, but who is
> > going
> > to be fussy in a name). for one over the other.  It is the same goal in
> > either case.  It is just different.
> >
> >
> > Frank Filippone
> > Red735i at earthlink.net
> >
> >
> > Do you work in the industry with direct experience?
> >
> > I don't, but I know enough that it's not trivial change.
> >
> >
> >
> >
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