Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2011/05/17

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Subject: [Leica] Leica M9P or M9.2 or M10
From: lluisripollquerol at gmail.com (Lluis Ripoll)
Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 01:00:53 +0200
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Jim!

You mention the Bolex C8, this was my first movie camera. I agree with  
you, I've never been able to shot with a camera with too many  
buttons ...

Saludos
Lluis


El 17/05/2011, a las 16:25, Jim Shulman escribi?:

> One of my favorite examples of modular systems gone amok are 8mm movie
> cameras.  Most were a very simple box design, with reels mounted  
> either
> vertically or front-to-face.  With the advent of automatic exposure,  
> zoom
> lenses, reflex viewing, pistol grips, etc. they grew into unwieldy
> monsters.  Take a look at a simple Bolex, the C8, and then the P3,  
> which
> had included grafts of a power zoom, reflex finder, electric eye,  
> pistol
> grip, and so forth.  Canon 8s also underwent a similar metamorphosis.
> Only a redesign cleaned up the ergonomics considerably.
>
> Jim Shulman
> Wynnewood, PA
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: lug-bounces+jshulman=judgecrater.com at leica-users.org
> [mailto:lug-bounces+jshulman=judgecrater.com at leica-users.org] On  
> Behalf Of
> mehrdad
> Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 10:22 AM
> To: Leica Users Group
> Subject: Re: [Leica] Leica M9P or M9.2 or M10
>
> there is no future proofing, modular systems become bulky and cost too
> much
> to build. leica only advantage for us (the users) is the good resell  
> value
> when compared to other brands.
>
> On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 11:38 AM, wildlightphoto at earthlink.net <
> wildlightphoto at earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> Lawrence Zeitlin wrote:
>>
>>>>>
>> I do fault Leica for abandoning the upgrading philosophy that served
>> them well in the past. Why should any photographer have to buy an
> entirely
>> new camera to get an improved sensor or microprocessor? The really
>> expensive
>> parts of the camera, the body, the rangefinder, the viewfinder, and  
>> most
> of
>> the internal mechanisms remain unchanged.
>> <<<
>>
>> I suspect that for a camera produced in the thousands (vs. many  
>> tens of
>> thousands) a full-frame sensor and the supporting electronics are the
>> expensive parts.
>>
>>>>>
>> I would have liked Leica to design a modular digital M camera where
>> packages
>> of components could have been easily replaced. Failing that, I would
> have
>> appreciated a digital back for the M and CL cameras. It worked for  
>> the R
>> series.
>> <<<
>>
>> Unfortunately most of the market didn't see the advantages of this
> approach
>> in the R series.  Along with improved sensors and processors the  
>> market
>> wanted ever-improved AF, storage options, frame rates and other such
>> features.  A few electronic upgrades may be possible without also
> upgrading
>> data bus, power supply, heat dissipation, & card writers but sooner  
>> or
>> later (usually sooner) the camera's technology as originally built  
>> hits
> the
>> wall and the upgraded camera's performance will be throttled by a
>> non-upgradeable component.
>>
>> During the LTM era upgrades were feasible because labor was  
>> relativley
>> inexpensive and the pace of equipment technology change was much  
>> slower
>> than we see now.  It makes little economic sense to use expensive  
>> labor
> to
>> upgrade an existing camera that will be limited by its older  
>> technology
>> when a replacement camera not limited by older components costs less.
>>
>> Doug Herr
>> Birdman of Sacramento
>> http://www.wildlightphoto.com
>>
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>
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>
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In reply to: Message from wildlightphoto at earthlink.net (wildlightphoto at earthlink.net) ([Leica] Leica M9P or M9.2 or M10)
Message from msadat at gmail.com (mehrdad) ([Leica] Leica M9P or M9.2 or M10)
Message from jshulman at judgecrater.com (Jim Shulman) ([Leica] Leica M9P or M9.2 or M10)