Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2011/05/30
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]I may hazard a guess that the Genesis prints are NOT done by Ms. Loparelli, who is a goddess in my eyes,as to my eyes, the Genesis prints suffer a bit comparing to other Salgado's prints I have seen. Just my humble opinions though. 2011/5/30 Marty Deveney <benedenia at gmail.com> > Sure, its heaps of work, just not, in this case, by the photographer. > I don't think that diminishes the work at all - on the contrary, as > soon as you have enough cash/support/fame to have someone who is > really top-notch develop and print your work, do it, because it can > only help. In the case of Africa, much of the hard work that makes > the prints look like they do is done by: > Negatives - Philippe Bachelier: http://www.philippebachelier.com > Prints - Nathalie Loparelli: > http://www.laboratoire-tirages-argentiques.com/prestation-eng.html > I am not sure who is doing Salgado's work since he switched to > digital, but I suspect his printer may be the same - he has negs made > from his files and then gets them printed on silver paper. > > There are several advantages to this approach - someone who has > already spent more time in the darkroom than you ever can is printing > your work, freeing up more time for you to go and shoot and your > prints and exhibitions are as good as they can possibly be - how often > have you seen an exhibition of decent work that could have been better > printed or presented, but it's "the photographer's own work"? It's > common. I like the photographic process, but if I were printing an > exhibition, I'd get someone else to do it. My time and is worth more > than what even the best printers cost, *to me*. > > Marty > > 2011/5/31 Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> > > > > Its not magic. Its work. > > The people who don't feel like calling it work try to make it out as > magic. > > The thing is the making of a full scale full substance print is not an > > exotic and rare thing which requires extreme mechanizations and > contortions > > it just required applied technique. > > Most photographers had darkrooms and they or their assistants did it on > a > > regular basis commercially and sometimes also for the galleries. > > Home darkroom work by hobbyists though was a different thing the majority > of > > which people were taking the first thing out and the output in comparison > > was embarrassing but most hobbyists just never had the time nor > inclination > > to perfect black and white photography let alone take it past the most > basic > > levels. > > Color though was ten times easier even though it required more > complicated > > chemistry a water bath and a color head. > > There were of course a smaller core serious black and white amateurs > doing > > work even better than the average pro's assistant but those were one out > of > > every very many darkrooms which were out there. They average guy just > wanted > > to see if he could make out his kids face. If he could he moved on to the > > next neg. thee are no contortions involved Just making another print with > > dodging and burring and looking at it critically. Then making a next > print > > and seeing if it worked out and fine tuning that one. It takes several > > sheets of paper to make a print. Though once you've hit on what you need > to > > do you can then make several. In the end for every neg I'd print from I'd > go > > through ten or twelve sheets of paper. Hobbyists like to go though one. > > There is very little overlap between these two approaches. As there is > very > > little overlap between the appearance of the result. > > > > Mark > > > > -------------------- > > Mark William Rabiner > > Photography > > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ > > mark at rabinergroup.com > > Cars: http://tinyurl.com/2f7ptxb > > > > > > > > > > > From: "Robert D. Baron" <robertbaron1 at gmail.com> > > > Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> > > > Date: Mon, 30 May 2011 08:38:11 -0500 > > > To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> > > > Subject: Re: [Leica] Sabastio Salgado > > > > > > On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 11:47 PM, Marty Deveney <benedenia at > > > gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > >> > > >> You may not be able to take photos like his, but much of the tonal > > >> representation is about the professional who develops his film and his > > >> printer - both of whom are available to everyone, if you're willing to > pay. > > >> > > >> Marty > > >> > > >> > > > This is absolutely correct. > > > > > > --Bob > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Leica Users Group. > > > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Leica Users Group. > > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > -- // richard <http://www.imagecraft.com/> // icc blog: <http://imagecraft.com/blog/> // richard's personal photo blog: <http://www.5pmlight.com> [ For technical support on ImageCraft products, please include all previous replies in your msgs. ]