Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2011/06/10

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Subject: [Leica] HCB negative
From: digiratidoc at gmail.com (James Laird)
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 18:15:35 -0500
References: <BANLkTim5KratZ=Qwft1h6Ud=L5VpMj_Kbw@mail.gmail.com> <p06230908ca18328f7c0d@10.0.1.4>

I might try some Efke 50 or 100. I've heard some good reports on
Neopan Acros-100 too. Anyone using this film?

Jim Laird

On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 4:05 PM, Henning Wulff <henningw at archiphoto.com> 
wrote:
> I was talking to Tom Abrahamsson this morning, and he recollected as did I
> that HCB said once when asked about the sprocket hole strip, and why it was
> missing: 'I ate them', implying at least that he had done it for whatever
> reason, and that this is likely the original.
>
> On the other hand we're all just guessing and inferring from hearsay, and
> probably the full 'truth' will never come out anymore. And it really 
> doesn't
> matter.
>
> As far as 'old style' film is concerned, some of the stuff that Efke 
> markets
> comes closer than today's Tri-X and HP5+ or other films from the majors. 
> The
> Efke offerings come from a couple of different manufacturers and are based
> on old Adox and Orwo emulsions. MACO also produces some (and Efke markets
> some of those, as well).
>
>
>
> At 1:53 PM -0400 6/10/11, Lawrence Zeitlin wrote:
>>
>> Henning is right! I stand corrected. I based my original conclusion on
>> measuring the image on an iPad. But enlarged on a 20" screen, and making
>> allowance for the foreshortening, I estimate that the negative strip is
>> 27.5
>> mm wide. A row of perforations could have been snipped off and still leave
>> the full image frame. Why that was done is hard to say. Damage? Stripped
>> sprocket holes?
>>
>> The fact that the film was snipped does not mean that the negative shown
>> was
>> not a copy. E. Leitz (remember them?) made several devices for duplicating
>> film strips including the Elida Film Printer, the Eldur Contact Printer,
>> and
>> the Kopat Combination Printer. One of the major scientific uses of the
>> Leica
>> camera was copying rare artifacts and manuscripts in situ. Leitz itself
>> suggested that distribution prints of rarities be produced from copy
>> negatives to avoid excessive handling and potential damage to
>> irreplaceable
>> original images. The HCB jump negative probably fits in that category.
>> Interestingly Leitz never suggested blowing up the negative to 4x5 size to
>> make copy prints. The idea probably would have gone against the 35mm bias
>> of
>> the company. A full description of Leica copying technique is spelled out
>> in
>> Morgan and Lester's "Leica Manual," especially the editions published
>> before
>> 1950 when specialized microfilm copying equipment became widely available.
>>
>> Larry Z
>>
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Replies: Reply from mark at rabinergroup.com (Mark Rabiner) ([Leica] HCB negative)
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