Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2011/07/22

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Subject: [Leica] Lusting for an M9
From: images at comporium.net (Tina Manley)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2011 21:26:23 -0400
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That is very interesting and helpful.  Thanks, Paul.  I'm glad there is
somebody here with the patience to do the trials that we all should be
doing!

Tina

On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 8:26 PM, Paul Roark <roark.paul at gmail.com> wrote:

> Michiel Fokkema <michiel.fokkema at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Do you think the M9 high iso perfomance is any good?
>
>
> I find it ironic that Leica uses CCD technology, which excels at its
> native ISO, but is not as good at high ISO as CMOS technology.  For a
> landscape shooter like me, CCD is ideal.  But for street/available
> light shooters or wherever extremely high speed is needed, CMOS might
> be a better solution.
>
> CCD must do its amplification after the signal is transferred off  the
> sensor, and that transfer is where  lot of noise seems to be acquired.
>  So, I wondered how much difference there would be between a neutral
> gray that was amplified in camera compared to one that is amplified in
> Photoshop.  To explore this, I set the M9 exposure manually for
> neutral gray at 2500 ISO and took a shot of an frosted/opal glass over
> the lens (totally smooth, out of focus image).  I then moved the ISO
> back to 160 and took a shot at the same exposure settings.  The 160
> ISO image was near black when initially opened (ACR 3.x, with black
> slider all the way to the left).  But when curves were used to take
> the 160 ISO gray up to the same level as the 2500 ISO gray, the noise
> levels in the images were essentially the same.  See
> http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/CCD-iso-v-curves.jpg
>
> While the in-camera amplifier does ultimately help the image quality
> with even darker values, the message from the experiment is, I think,
> rather important for those of us who shoot M9s.  I don't bracket much
> any more.  Rather, I set the exposure for the highlights like I used
> to do with slide film.  I manually "expose right", checking the
> histogram often, and just let the low values fall where they may.
> Amplification in PS is, over the ranges of values I've recently run
> into, good enough that HDR is not needed and would not accomplish all
> that much anyway.  This is very different than the style than is
> needed for CMOS, and I prefer it to HDR and bracketing.
>
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com
>
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-- 
Tina Manley, ASMP
www.tinamanley.com


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