Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2011/07/23

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Subject: [Leica] The IIIF still works
From: photo at frozenlight.eu (Nathan Wajsman)
Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2011 00:38:52 +0200
References: <CA50A3C4.125EE%mark@rabinergroup.com>

Except that there are lenses out there made by people other than Leica (e.g. 
the 1.7/20mm Panasonic or some of the Voigtlander lenses) that do cost 
hundreds not thousands and that are at least as good as Leica's own 
offerings.

Cheers,
Nathan

Nathan Wajsman
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On Jul 23, 2011, at 10:13 PM, Mark Rabiner wrote:

> Leica has as a business model the concept of making higher quality lenes
> than its 35mm format competition so it starts with a price point a 
> magnitude
> higher than the rest.  5 grand not 500 clams.
> With its customers willing to pay for that kind of quality they can make a
> lens of that quality. They have glass choices a 500 dollar lens does not
> have and they can make the construction of the lens to higher tolerances.
>    One would think some day just for fun the people at Canon or Nikon could
> come out with a 5 grand 35mm 1.4 lens but they seem to feel that is not
> their business model mission statement.  They could of course do so and 
> that
> optic would compete directly against Leica's output. Perhaps besting some 
> of
> them. It might make the rest of their lens choices seem cheap in 
> comparison.
> As yet if your paying 5 grand for a lens from Canon Nikon you're getting 
> one
> that looks like a bazooka.
> 
> It took me ten years go amass ten Leica M lenses. I count not pick one up 
> on
> a  whim as a current job was going to pay for it and I already head the 
> rent
> in. it had to be an ongoing financial consideration lasting about a year.
> And it was always I felt worth it.
> 
> 
> Mark William Rabiner
> Photography
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> From: Paul Roark <roark.paul at gmail.com>
>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>> Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2011 08:31:37 -0700
>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Leica] The IIIF still works
>> 
>> Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote:
>>> ...
>>> Optical science has not stood still ...
>> 
>> I had an interesting discussion with a Canon technical rep some years
>> ago.  He made the point that most R&D went into not making lenses
>> sharper per se, but rather making them "affordable" while still good
>> enough.  That reality even affects Leica -- although at a higher
>> price-performance point.
>> 
>> Along this line, it appears one of the main advances may be in making
>> molded aspherics better.  One simply can't make a top notch, very wide
>> or very fast lens with only spherical elements, and the cost of
>> grinding one aspheric at a time is even out of Leica's cost structure.
>> I think what we'll see, going forward, is the move to more and more
>> aspherics -- not just a single element per optic.  In line with this
>> thinking, I'd guess that the slower telephotos, where aspherics are
>> not needed, would be the area where the older Leica lenses can best
>> match the newer ones (at least in a low flare situation).
>> 
>> I think one of the advantages the M series will continue to enjoy in
>> terms of performance is the ability of the designers to ignore the
>> requirements of AF and IS, which has to be a huge part of current
>> optical design for the mainstream companies.
>> 
>> Paul
>> www.PaulRoark.com
>> 
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