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Subject: [Leica] Culmination of Sal DiMarco research
From: steve.barbour at gmail.com (Steve Barbour)
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 17:42:19 -0700
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On Oct 13, 2011, at 5:08 PM, Marty Deveney wrote:

> Maybe: "impossible" just wasn't the right word for leica to use, even
> in the early 2000s.


true scientists don't use the word impossible, it is seen as, often through 
serendipity, an opportunity for a great discovery.


Steve


> 
> Marty
> 
> On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 11:40 PM, Geoff Hopkinson <hopsternew at 
> gmail.com> wrote:
>> Maybe some semantics? Having talked a little with the senior engineers 
>> there
>> and beta tested their firmware I can confirm that there is a LOT happening
>> to produce the results you see.
>> Respect what the camera produces from even lenses designed 50 year before
>> the camera was thought of ;-)
>> 
>> Cheers
>> Geoff
>> 
>> *Lighting- eyes- action*
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 13 October 2011 23:05, Marty Deveney <benedenia at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> The microlenses and software corrections were established technologies
>>> when Leica were saying it was impossible to make a digital M - they
>>> just hadn't put the two ideas together in their heads.  They also
>>> thought they could hang in with film and would be okay, but they were
>>> wrong.  It was the same when Ernst Leitz said that the rangefinder
>>> would prevail over the SLR.  Many, many other companies have done it
>>> and not survived - Leica have been fortunate, luckily for us.
>>> 
>>> It's a long way from "nearly impossible".
>>> 
>>> Marty
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 11:28 PM, Geoff Hopkinson <hopsternew at 
>>> gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Hi Jim. I don't want to derail the thread you are in.
>>>> But let me tell you that was and is nearly true.
>>>> There is a LOT done in the camera with every file from the M9 even in 
>>>> the
>>>> raw files. There is a BIG lot done on anything from wide lenses.
>>>> Only the idea of different angles on micro-lenses towards the edges made
>>>> this possible at all and it is still at the ragged edge.
>>>> 
>>>> Cheers
>>>> Geoff
>>>> 
>>>> *Lighting- eyes- action*
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 13 October 2011 22:51, Jim Shulman <jshulman at judgecrater.com> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> I have so many memories of Sal, one of which was his lengthy 
>>>>> explanation
>>>>> (delivered from top brass at Leica) on why there could never be a
>>> digital
>>>>> M.  Evidently the physics of the camera made a digital version utterly
>>>>> impossible.
>>>>> 
>>>>> J
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: lug-bounces+jshulman=judgecrater.com at leica-users.org
>>>>> [mailto:lug-bounces+jshulman=judgecrater.com at leica-users.org] On 
>>>>> Behalf
>>> Of
>>>>> Nathan Wajsman
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 6:54 PM
>>>>> To: Leica Users Group
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Culmination of Sal DiMarco research
>>>>> 
>>>>> Well done, Phil!
>>>>> 
>>>>> FWIW, this may be a good time to remind of my little Sal memento that
>>> has
>>>>> been on my web site since 2004:
>>>>> 
>>>>> http://www.nathanfoto.com/sal.html
>>>>> 
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Nathan
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 13 Oct, 2011, at 5:28 , Phil Forrest wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> For my final act as an undergrad at Temple University I'm putting on a
>>>>>> public show of Sal DiMarco's work with the "Philadelphia Evening
>>>>>> & Sunday Bulletin" as well as what little of his personal work I will
>>>>>> be able to work through.
>>>>>> Dr. Ed Trayes, the director of the photography sequence as well as the
>>>>>> sponsor for my independent study was a friend of Sal's as well and is
>>>>>> looking forward to his work being shown and installed at the school.
>>>>>> The date of this exhibit is TBD but tentatively will be held in
>>>>>> mid-December. There is a chance that I will host it in late January or
>>>>>> early February of next year.
>>>>>> I never got the chance to meet Sal but just looking at the Urban
>>>>>> Archives collection in the Paley Library at Temple, his work pervades
>>>>>> Philadelphia history from the early 70's on.
>>>>>> Of course, every LUG member is invited. One aspect of this project is
>>> a
>>>>>> multimedia record and presentation of what Sal's friends and family
>>> wish
>>>>>> to say about him and his work.
>>>>>> I've learned recently that there are 40 boxes of Sal's personal
>>>>>> negatives which are largely uncatalogued and not archived digitally or
>>>>>> in print at all. The custodian of the Urban Archives, which holds
>>>>>> this personal work said that it was on long-term loan from Sal's
>>>>>> brother Joe for use by Temple students. The show is also an aim to get
>>>>>> this personal work archived for future use.
>>>>>> This is a giant project that I could work on for easily 5 more years
>>>>>> but its time has come.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Here is my letter to the journalism chair and faculty:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>       Throughout his life, Salvatore "Sal" C. DiMarco Jr. was a
>>>>> Philadelphia photographer. He worked for the "Philadelphia Evening &
>>>>> Sunday Bulletin" from 1967 when he began there until the day it closed
>>> in
>>>>> 1982. His tenure at the "Bulletin" saw him move up the ranks from 
>>>>> intern
>>>>> all the way to chief photographer. The photographic vision of DiMarco
>>>>> during those 15 years helped to shape the visual record of Philadelphia
>>> as
>>>>> we know it. After the "Bulletin" closed in 1982 DiMarco worked 
>>>>> full-time
>>>>> as a freelance photojournalist. He contributed to TIME magazine, was a
>>>>> photographer with the Black Star photo agency, was a member of the 
>>>>> White
>>>>> House News Photographers Association in addition to several 
>>>>> professional
>>>>> journalism organizations.
>>>>>>       DiMarco died suddenly on June 11, 2004 at the age of 57, leaving
>>>>> behind an immense photographic collection of professional and personal
>>>>> images, many of the Philadelphia area. The photographic record which
>>>>> Temple University holds in the Urban Archives is invaluable and the
>>>>> contribution which DiMarco made during his time at the "Bulletin" 
>>>>> cannot
>>>>> be overlooked.
>>>>>>       I intend to bring light to the work of this Temple alum and very
>>>>> important member of the Philadelphia journalism community through a
>>>>> memorial show of his work with the "Bulletin" and permanently 
>>>>> displaying
>>>>> some of his photos with stories throughout the School of Communication
>>> and
>>>>> Theater as well as in the Urban Archives themselves.
>>>>>>       Further, I hope this memorial show and installation will help me
>>>>> in my effort towards getting 40 large boxes of DiMarco's personal
>>>>> negatives archived for future use by Temple students and researchers in
>>>>> the Philadelphia region.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Respectfully,
>>>>>> Philip Forrest
>>>>>> Temple Photojournalism Class of 2012"
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Again, I will be updating the LUG on the date when this event will be
>>>>>> held and where the images will be displayed permanently.
>>>>>> I look forward to possibly meeting more of the LUG for this show and
>>>>>> prominently bringing Sal's very important photographic work in Philly
>>>>>> to the students in the journalism school as well as the whole
>>>>>> University.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks all,
>>>>>> Phil Forrest
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Nathan Wajsman
>>>>> Alicante, Spain
>>>>> http://www.frozenlight.eu
>>>>> http://www.greatpix.eu
>>>>> http://www.nathanfoto.com
>>>>> 
>>>>> Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0
>>>>> PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws
>>>>> Image licensing: http://www.alamy.com/search-results.asp?qt=wajsman
>>>>> Blog: http://www.nathansmusings.eu
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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