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Subject: [Leica] We Surrender: A sign of the times in Fort Wayne
From: jayanand at gmail.com (Jayanand Govindaraj)
Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 23:06:29 +0530
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Well we had a 'socialist' system in India from 1947 to 1991 which was an 
utter and total disaster. I doubt any citizen, however poor, would want to 
go down that road again. The US problem, as it is with Western Europe, is 
that they think they have a God given right to pillage the worlds resources 
to maintain 'a fair wage' and other such measures of a standard of living, 
at the cost of 90% of the other inhabitants of the planet, for whom that 
'fair wage' is a veritable fortune. Well I think the time has come where 
they have to learn to do without that at least a little bit at a time.

Again the myth of the Mom and Pop shop is just that - a romantic myth that 
makes people feel fuzzy all over. It is certainly not sensible allocation of 
capital under the economic system that the US follows. Creative destruction 
is very much part of that tenet. You cannot have cheap goods and high wages 
within the same country (not even in Scandinavia) without a major, all 
pervasive subsidy system, which is paid for by the taxpayers, either with 
stratospheric levels of tax, or high deficit financing. Do you really want 
to go down that usually disastorous route?

Cheers
Jayanand

Sent from my iPad

On 29-Oct-2011, at 9:53 PM, FRANK DERNIE <frank.dernie at btinternet.com> 
wrote:

> The only socialist systems I know of are in Scandinavia and work well, I 
> wish we were more like it here.
> I am not sure a Communist system has ever successfully been put in place. 
> The USSR and China, to quote societies which have claimed to be communist, 
> almost immediately turned into dictatorships where the privileged few were 
> massively better off than the rest, about as far from communist as you can 
> get.
> Humans are greedy, selfish and ruthless and any egalitarianism is not 
> natural to the species...
> IMO
> FD
> 
> 
> 
>> ________________________________
>> From: Jayanand Govindaraj <jayanand at gmail.com>
>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, 29 October 2011, 17:08
>> Subject: Re: [Leica] We Surrender: A sign of the times in Fort Wayne
>> 
>> It really is, you know, under Capitalist Economics. If you think not, 
>> live under a Socialist or Communist system and pay 10x the price for any 
>> item, which would also be of doubtful quality. Your choice! George, you 
>> want the whole world's resources utilised only to supporting US lifestyle 
>> forever. It won't happen.
>> Cheers
>> Jayanand
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> On 29-Oct-2011, at 8:16 PM, George Lottermoser <imagist3 at mac.com> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> On Oct 29, 2011, at 9:33 AM, Jayanand Govindaraj <jayanand at gmail.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> necessary event in the Capitalist
>>>> playing fields.
>>> 
>>> Fascinating - to consider impoverishing local economies "necessary" to 
>>> Capitalism.
>>> That thought is even sadder than the photograph.
>>> 
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