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Subject: [Leica] Can't We Contribute to to Public Service?
From: s.dimitrov at charter.net (Slobodan Dimitrov)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 16:00:11 -0700
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As they say elsewhere...like!
S.d.


On Oct 30, 2011, at 4:44 PM, Tina Manley wrote:

> No, it wasn't tongue-in-cheek, but it was from a professional viewpoint.
> Someone who doesn't make their living by selling their photographs can, of
> course, give them away whenever they want.  Anyone who places any monetary
> value on their photographs, which is necessary if you are going to use them
> as a source of income, is risking placing a value of zero on their work if
> they give it away even for a good cause.  I've been working with
> non-profits for over 30 years and learned that when you give away your
> photos to the non-profits, they place a value on your work of exactly what
> you charge them.  I learned quickly to charge normal prices for my charity
> work and, if I want to contribute to the cause, turn around a make a
> donation for the amount that I charged.  That way your work has a value and
> you can deduct your contribution at tax-time (of course, you add the
> income, too, so it evens out).
> 
> So many people offer photographers a credit and say the exposure will be
> great for your business.  You can't eat exposure.  How many plumbers would
> fix your sink if you offered to put a credit on the sink saying "repaired
> by Joe Plumber"?  For some reason everybody thinks photographers should
> donate their work, but they never think of asking the architect or
> electrician or publisher to work for nothing.
> 
> And, Jayanand, there is a fee structure for digital use, also.  So many
> people think that if it's on the internet, it's free.  It's not.  All
> photos are copyright protected and cannot be used without permission.  Some
> people (non-professionals) give permission freely, professionals charge.
> As EXIF, watermarking, and services like TinEye improve, more and more
> photographers are following up on miss-use of their photos and charging 3X
> the normal fee for illegal use of their photos.  If the photo has been
> registered with the copyright office, most lawyers are willing to pursue
> those cases and almost always win. I'm all for that!
> 
> Sorry for the soapbox, but this is something that really, really aggravates
> me.  I work with ASMP for copyright protection and receiving fair value for
> work.
> 
> Tina
> 
> On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 8:04 PM, Jim Nichols <jhnichols at 
> lighttube.net>wrote:
> 
>> Tina,
>> 
>> Your response to Bob Adler strikes me as a little bit strong, unless it
>> was offered tongue-in-cheek.
>> 
>> I just contributed a number of images to the Facebook web page created by
>> our local airport.  I have enjoyed the friends and experiences made at 
>> this
>> facility since I started flight training in 1957, and have seen the
>> numerous improvements made over the years, including transition to the
>> world of the internet.  I think the web page will offer a new face to
>> people who may not be familiar with the value of this facility to the 
>> local
>> economy, and I am happy to contribute.  I intend to continue to help with
>> updated photos.  Somehow, from the EXIF data on my digital images, a 
>> number
>> of the images give me credit lines.
>> 
>> In case you would like to see what I am talking about, here is a link to
>> the page.
>> http://www.facebook.com/pages/Tullahoma-Regional-Airport/176056799142900
>> 
>> I don't feel that I gave a lot of value away.  I see it as civic pride!
>> 
>> Jim Nichols
>> Tullahoma, TN USA
>> 
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>> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Tina Manley, ASMP
> www.tinamanley.com
> 
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