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Subject: [Leica] FYI: Fresh 5222 avail direct from Kodak
From: dstella1 at ameritech.net (Dante Stella)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 09:10:29 -0500
References: <mailman.370.1321245687.1104.lug@leica-users.org> <4EC0CFFF.3080206@halcyon.com> <CAFuU78fmZZ_jv32m5Mc870WDAvkkY0PYFtbGrBmJzZ0b993hxw@mail.gmail.com>

And isn't it the same xx that has the nasty remjet coating and comes only in 
400ft rolls? That size doesn't exactly drop into a Watson loader.

Dante

On Nov 14, 2011, at 8:36 AM, Lew Schwartz <lew1716 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Could you make a succinct statement re why you like the Edwal 12/XX combo
> so much?
> 
> On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 3:23 AM, Larry Bullis <kingfisher at 
> halcyon.com>wrote:
> 
>> Don Cardwell, Lee Lumkin, Thomas Bertilsson and myself did a continuing
>> study on Edwal 12 a while back. XX was a film that I took on as my 
>> personal
>> project. I sort of dropped it because the sole supplier "film emporium"
>> couldn't seem to get it any more. Kodak supplying it in bulk? Very hard to
>> imagine.
>> 
>> So I have pretty good data with this obscure, obsolete (!) chemistry with
>> a pretty obscure, BUT entirely appropriate chemistry. Everyone has
>> forgotten about this. I can tell you that it is amazing. But I can't show
>> you much. Why? because IF words and images can say the same thing, one of
>> them is lying. I do not maintain an online presence, but if you wish, I
>> will attempt to put something up you might relate to.
>> 
>> If anyone is really serious about pursuing this (and, I REALLY mean
>> REALLY, I'm not interested in casual unless there's enough serious 
>> interest
>> to support it) I would be interested in either creating a new group to
>> study it, or, maybe more likely to bring additional research into the
>> existing group. I can't speak for my dearly beloved fellows, but I can't
>> imagine them not rising to the concept, even though they may stop short of
>> the densitometer. Don't worry, though. I have one or two of those awful
>> arcane things, too.
>> 
>> I do think though that this film with this particular amazingly
>> appropriate chemistry is something that surpasses any particular existing
>> loyalties - especially given the way things are going right now. I think
>> that if we have interest in stuff like this, the time is RIGHT NOW to
>> express that interest and create whatever body of research we possibly 
>> can.
>> Otherwise it will go the way of that other XX - the super one, that I miss
>> so desperately. It is time for us to speak up and demand that film
>> persists. It is stupid to abandon a peak technology for something that
>> can't replace it but could provide yet another viable medium. Photography
>> as we knew it is like engraving was in 1860 right now. Looked at a dollar
>> bill lately?
>> 
>> I don't think that you're going to find a better place to start. The film
>> is wonderful. Do you like the 1960's aesthetic, as I do? The research team
>> already at hand for the developer is a great place to start. At least, I'm
>> ready to go.
>> 
>> The film is one that we've all seen in the movies - but we're sure not
>> seeing it any more.
>> 
>> L
>> 
>> On 11/13/11 8:41 PM, lug-request at leica-users.org wrote:
>> 
>>> Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 11:53:32 -0800
>>> From: Richard Man<richard at richardmanphoto.**com<richard at 
>>> richardmanphoto.com>
>>>> 
>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] FYI: Fresh 5222 avail direct from Kodak
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>>> 
>>> Isn't this the XX film? Phil Forrest gave me a roll (thanks!) in NYC, and
>>> it does appear to be close to "old school" film. Of course I really don't
>>> know much about old school film but it does the job competently, even in
>>> this era of mixed analog/digital workflow. In the "Mark is sometimes 
>>> right
>>> even when he is wrong" department, I have settled on Acros 100 for
>>> landscape at ISO100, TriX for people/landscape at ISO320 and low light
>>> stuff of Neopan 1600 at ISO1000, all souped in the 2-bath Pyrocat-HD. I
>>> would gladly use the XX for Tri-X stuff but the Tri-X works so well that
>>> there's hardly any need. I buy the Arista Premium from Freestyle which is
>>> Tri-X for just over $3 a roll so the cost is not bad either.
>>> 
>>> On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 11:46 AM, Lew Schwartz<lew1716 at gmail.com>  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> This film c
>>>> 
>>> 
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Replies: Reply from lew1716 at gmail.com (Lew Schwartz) ([Leica] FYI: Fresh 5222 avail direct from Kodak)
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Message from lew1716 at gmail.com (Lew Schwartz) ([Leica] FYI: Fresh 5222 avail direct from Kodak)