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Subject: [Leica] FYI: Fresh 5222 avail direct from Kodak
From: dstella1 at ameritech.net (Dante Stella)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 10:56:00 -0500
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Where are you finding 100-150ft rolls?  That's the max size that fits the 
mainstream 35mm units.  Are they short ends?  Or is there some massively 
larger loader that take the 400-footers?

Interesting on the coating; I looked this up, and they apparently use *less* 
antihalo coating on the b/w cinema film than they do b/w still film. 

Best,
Dante

On Nov 14, 2011, at 9:44 AM, Lew Schwartz <lew1716 at gmail.com> wrote:

> I haven't noticed any coatings. Nothing comes off in processing and the
> negs are as clear as any other film I process. Fits in all my bulk loaders
> ok, too. It does have motion picture sprocket holes, slightly different
> from what we usually get for 35mm still film/cameras, but this hasn't
> produced any problems running through my M's or Voigtlander's.
> 
> On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 9:10 AM, Dante Stella <dstella1 at 
> ameritech.net>wrote:
> 
>> And isn't it the same xx that has the nasty remjet coating and comes only
>> in 400ft rolls? That size doesn't exactly drop into a Watson loader.
>> 
>> Dante
>> 
>> On Nov 14, 2011, at 8:36 AM, Lew Schwartz <lew1716 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Could you make a succinct statement re why you like the Edwal 12/XX combo
>>> so much?
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 3:23 AM, Larry Bullis <kingfisher at halcyon.com
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Don Cardwell, Lee Lumkin, Thomas Bertilsson and myself did a continuing
>>>> study on Edwal 12 a while back. XX was a film that I took on as my
>> personal
>>>> project. I sort of dropped it because the sole supplier "film emporium"
>>>> couldn't seem to get it any more. Kodak supplying it in bulk? Very hard
>> to
>>>> imagine.
>>>> 
>>>> So I have pretty good data with this obscure, obsolete (!) chemistry
>> with
>>>> a pretty obscure, BUT entirely appropriate chemistry. Everyone has
>>>> forgotten about this. I can tell you that it is amazing. But I can't
>> show
>>>> you much. Why? because IF words and images can say the same thing, one
>> of
>>>> them is lying. I do not maintain an online presence, but if you wish, I
>>>> will attempt to put something up you might relate to.
>>>> 
>>>> If anyone is really serious about pursuing this (and, I REALLY mean
>>>> REALLY, I'm not interested in casual unless there's enough serious
>> interest
>>>> to support it) I would be interested in either creating a new group to
>>>> study it, or, maybe more likely to bring additional research into the
>>>> existing group. I can't speak for my dearly beloved fellows, but I can't
>>>> imagine them not rising to the concept, even though they may stop short
>> of
>>>> the densitometer. Don't worry, though. I have one or two of those awful
>>>> arcane things, too.
>>>> 
>>>> I do think though that this film with this particular amazingly
>>>> appropriate chemistry is something that surpasses any particular
>> existing
>>>> loyalties - especially given the way things are going right now. I think
>>>> that if we have interest in stuff like this, the time is RIGHT NOW to
>>>> express that interest and create whatever body of research we possibly
>> can.
>>>> Otherwise it will go the way of that other XX - the super one, that I
>> miss
>>>> so desperately. It is time for us to speak up and demand that film
>>>> persists. It is stupid to abandon a peak technology for something that
>>>> can't replace it but could provide yet another viable medium.
>> Photography
>>>> as we knew it is like engraving was in 1860 right now. Looked at a
>> dollar
>>>> bill lately?
>>>> 
>>>> I don't think that you're going to find a better place to start. The
>> film
>>>> is wonderful. Do you like the 1960's aesthetic, as I do? The research
>> team
>>>> already at hand for the developer is a great place to start. At least,
>> I'm
>>>> ready to go.
>>>> 
>>>> The film is one that we've all seen in the movies - but we're sure not
>>>> seeing it any more.
>>>> 
>>>> L
>>>> 
>>>> On 11/13/11 8:41 PM, lug-request at leica-users.org wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 11:53:32 -0800
>>>>> From: Richard Man<richard at richardmanphoto.**com<
>> richard at richardmanphoto.com>
>>>>>> 
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] FYI: Fresh 5222 avail direct from Kodak
>>>>> To: Leica Users Group<lug at leica-users.org>
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>>>>> 
>>>>> Isn't this the XX film? Phil Forrest gave me a roll (thanks!) in NYC,
>> and
>>>>> it does appear to be close to "old school" film. Of course I really
>> don't
>>>>> know much about old school film but it does the job competently, even
>> in
>>>>> this era of mixed analog/digital workflow. In the "Mark is sometimes
>> right
>>>>> even when he is wrong" department, I have settled on Acros 100 for
>>>>> landscape at ISO100, TriX for people/landscape at ISO320 and low light
>>>>> stuff of Neopan 1600 at ISO1000, all souped in the 2-bath Pyrocat-HD. I
>>>>> would gladly use the XX for Tri-X stuff but the Tri-X works so well
>> that
>>>>> there's hardly any need. I buy the Arista Premium from Freestyle which
>> is
>>>>> Tri-X for just over $3 a roll so the cost is not bad either.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 11:46 AM, Lew Schwartz<lew1716 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> This film c
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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