Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2011/11/20

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Subject: [Leica] now x-ray damage
From: csaganich at gmail.com (Chris Saganich)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 18:16:51 -0500
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Yes, for European trips (if you can afford it) I wouldn't attempt my bad
behavior.  Going to France via Air India our carry on luggage was scanned 4
times.  No ill effect on the triX  that trip.

On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 10:07 PM, Marty Deveney <benedenia at gmail.com> 
wrote:

> On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 3:57 AM, Chris Saganich <csaganich at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > My sister in law lost a roll to the baggage scanner.  They increase X-ray
> > intensity when they see slightly opaque objects.  The instruments used
> for
> > carry-on don't have that capability, at lease they didn't, who known if
> > that changed in the past few years.
>
> The CTX-5000 and similar scanners used for check-in luggage are
> automated - the machine automatically switches to a high-intensity
> narrow beam, thin swathe scan when faced with certain sizes, shapes
> and densities of material.  They are principally used for detecting
> certain classes of explosives.  Almost all the scanners used for
> carry-on can be operated at a variety of intensities, but can not a
> change the scan pattern.  Most countries' security services have a
> standard operating intensity, with an increase only allowed under
> certain circumstances.  Some countries have a set intensity and it is
> not permitted for the machines to be operated at any other intensity.
> I have had film fried by carry-on luggage scanners in developing
> countries due to some over-keen inspection.
>
> > A few years ago I made x-ray safe film
> > cans by wrapping normal film cans with .5mm equivalent leaded vinyl I
> have
> > around the shop.  What happens at the domestic airport is one of three
> > things.  It goes through without notice,  It goes through with the
> > question, "Do you have film in there?"  I say yes and that's it.  Or
> > three,  My bag and film cans get the swab test.  Only once has there been
> > an argument about the necessity of leaded film cans and film speed.  I
> > reuse old cans and twice I had to explain that the film inside the can is
> > different from the can label.
>
> This works in the US, but I travel in all sorts of places.  I don't
> use lead lined bags because in some countries denser material is just
> "looked through" by increasing the scanner intensity.  When travelling
> it is hard to get information about what many countries approach to
> this situation is.  I just try to get a hand inspection and where
> impossible let the security people scan my film.  This has had
> variable outcomes over the years.
>
> > Prior to the full body x-ray scanner I would roll all film in plastic
> > containers (or just bring 120) and line my pockets in preparation for the
> > metal detector.  I learned from my people in the hood that baggy pants
> and
> > a long shirt will conceal most anything you desire.  The X-ray full body
> > scanners make this tactic impractical.  Once I went through one holding
> all
> > my film in my hand, (4 rolls per hand), because I knew the Compton
> > scattering effect creating the scanner image would be mostly attenuated
> by
> > the thin metal cans.  I haven't tried that again yet, maybe for the
> > Christmas trip to CA.
>
> Have all the US airports now got full body scanners?  They didn't when
> we were there last year.
>
> Marty
>
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Chris Saganich
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